Hosting

Thu Jul 27 17:08:46 BST 2023

Thanks this looks very interesting, didn't know about them and they are in
business for 20 years already...

Do you know the cost? I could only find a contact form - is it possible to
work in a peer2peer fashion for free?

Brg,
Gregor

Kevin Herschbach <kevin.herschbach at tuta.io> schrieb am Do., 27. Juli 2023,
16:18:

> Regarding hosting, I'd just like to mention Hostsharing eG, a German
> hosting coop: https://www.hostsharing.net/
>
> It's mainly targeted towards technically savvy users, but I don't think
> this will be a problem with this group.
>
> Idealogically, I'd say they're very much aligned with us. Maybe some of
> the members would even like to support us in some way.
>
> Anyway, just a suggestion.
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:49:43 +0200
> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
> To: privacy-reloaded at kde.org
> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
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> Moin!
>
> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought
> we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a
> Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your
> experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <
> christian at buggedei.de>:
>
> Good morning!
>
> >I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
> >moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
> >out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>
>
> >That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to
> get
> >it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>
>
> >Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
> >(Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
> >Obsidian online?)
>
>
> >Cheers,
> >Christian Buggedei
>
>
> >On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>
> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
> should
> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>
>
> Moin!
>
> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better than
> I
> could have dreamt of.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make all
> the
> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
> personal
> data storage become real.
>
> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
> is a
> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas I
> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
> society.
> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This implies
> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is only
> one
> shot we have.
>
> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further. As
> I
> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This will
> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
> together
> further.
>
> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
> data
> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
> without compromising privacy.
>
> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
> document
> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and install
> tools for this.
>
> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
> Discourse?)
>
> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested technologies?
>
> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
> the
> final name though.
>
> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
> And I
> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:12:43 +0200
> From: Gregor Rosenauer <gregor.rosenauer at gmail.com>
> To: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
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> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
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> Ich finde generell nextcloud sehr gut, und seit einigen Jahren gibt es mit
> collective auch ein Wiki dazu:
>
> https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/collectives
>
> Gute Einführung auf Deutsch:
> https://www.hkn.de/nextcloud/nextcloud-collective-wiki
>
> Für Diskussionen bietet sich natürlich Discourse an:
> https://www.discourse.org/
>
> Hosting ist eine andere Frage, aber ich glaube für den Anfang bieten beide
> genannten Projekte gratis oder sehr günstige Cloud Zugänge an.
>
> Lg
> Gregor
>
> Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> schrieb am Mi., 26. Juli 2023, 18:49:
>
> Moin!
>
> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought
> we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a
> Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your
> experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
>
> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <
> christian at buggedei.de>:
>
> Good morning!
>
> I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
> moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
> out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>
> That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to
> get it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>
> Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
> (Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
> Obsidian online?)
>
> Cheers,
> Christian Buggedei
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>
> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
> should
> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>
>
> Moin!
>
> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better
> than I
> could have dreamt of.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make
> all the
> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
> personal
> data storage become real.
>
> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
> is a
> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas
> I
> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
> society.
> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This
> implies
> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is
> only one
> shot we have.
>
> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further.
> As I
> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This
> will
> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
> together
> further.
>
> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
> data
> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
> without compromising privacy.
>
> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
> document
> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and
> install
> tools for this.
>
> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
> Discourse?)
>
> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested
> technologies?
>
> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
> the
> final name though.
>
> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
> And I
> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:02:44 +0200
> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
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> Moin,
>
> the Nuudel has spoken - the next introductory meeting will be on Sunday at
> 11:00 CEST / Berlin time. Hope some more people can also make it.
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
> Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2023, 12:19:44 CEST schrieb Björn Balazs:
>
> Moin,
>
> I have set up a new Nuudel, so we can find the next spot for our
> introductory meeting:
>
> https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/PjmgGGgnPha2C2vc
>
> Looking forward to meet you!
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
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