Hosting

Thu Jul 27 15:17:48 BST 2023

Regarding hosting, I'd just like to mention Hostsharing eG, a German hosting coop: https://www.hostsharing.net/

It's mainly targeted towards technically savvy users, but I don't think this will be a problem with this group.

Idealogically, I'd say they're very much aligned with us. Maybe some of the members would even like to support us in some way.

Anyway, just a suggestion.

27 Jul 2023, 10:03 by privacy-reloaded-request at kde.org:

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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:49:43 +0200
> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
> To: privacy-reloaded at kde.org
> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
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> Moin!
>
> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <christian at buggedei.de>:
>
>> Good morning!
>>
> >I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
> >moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
> >out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>
>>
>>
> >That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to get
> >it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>
>>
>>
> >Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
> >(Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
> >Obsidian online?)
>
>>
>>
> >Cheers,
> >Christian Buggedei
>
>>
>>
> >On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>
>>> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
>>> should
>>> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
>>> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Moin!
>>>
>>> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
>>> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better than
>>> I
>>> could have dreamt of.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make all
>>> the
>>> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
>>> personal
>>> data storage become real.
>>>
>>> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
>>> is a
>>> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas I
>>> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
>>> society.
>>> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This implies
>>> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is only
>>> one
>>> shot we have.
>>>
>>> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further. As
>>> I
>>> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This will
>>> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
>>> together
>>> further.
>>>
>>> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
>>> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
>>> data
>>> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
>>> without compromising privacy.
>>>
>>> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
>>> document
>>> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and install
>>> tools for this.
>>>
>>> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
>>> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
>>> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
>>> Discourse?)
>>>
>>> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested technologies?
>>>
>>> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
>>> the
>>> final name though.
>>>
>>> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
>>> And I
>>> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
>>> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Björn
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
>>> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
>>> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:12:43 +0200
> From: Gregor Rosenauer <gregor.rosenauer at gmail.com>
> To: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
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> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
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> Ich finde generell nextcloud sehr gut, und seit einigen Jahren gibt es mit
> collective auch ein Wiki dazu:
>
> https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/collectives
>
> Gute Einführung auf Deutsch:
> https://www.hkn.de/nextcloud/nextcloud-collective-wiki
>
> Für Diskussionen bietet sich natürlich Discourse an:
> https://www.discourse.org/
>
> Hosting ist eine andere Frage, aber ich glaube für den Anfang bieten beide
> genannten Projekte gratis oder sehr günstige Cloud Zugänge an.
>
> Lg
> Gregor
>
> Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> schrieb am Mi., 26. Juli 2023, 18:49:
>
>> Moin!
>>
>> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought
>> we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a
>> Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your
>> experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>>
>> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <
>> christian at buggedei.de>:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
>>> moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
>>> out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>>>
>>> That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to
>>> get it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>>>
>>> Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
>>> (Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
>>> Obsidian online?)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Christian Buggedei
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
>>>> should
>>>> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
>>>> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Moin!
>>>>
>>>> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
>>>> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better
>>>> than I
>>>> could have dreamt of.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>
>>>> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make
>>>> all the
>>>> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
>>>> personal
>>>> data storage become real.
>>>>
>>>> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
>>>> is a
>>>> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas
>>>> I
>>>> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
>>>> society.
>>>> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This
>>>> implies
>>>> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is
>>>> only one
>>>> shot we have.
>>>>
>>>> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further.
>>>> As I
>>>> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This
>>>> will
>>>> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
>>>> together
>>>> further.
>>>>
>>>> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
>>>> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
>>>> data
>>>> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
>>>> without compromising privacy.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
>>>> document
>>>> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and
>>>> install
>>>> tools for this.
>>>>
>>>> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
>>>> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
>>>> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
>>>> Discourse?)
>>>>
>>>> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested
>>>> technologies?
>>>>
>>>> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
>>>> the
>>>> final name though.
>>>>
>>>> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
>>>> And I
>>>> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
>>>> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Björn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
>>>> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
>>>> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:02:44 +0200
> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
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> Moin,
>
> the Nuudel has spoken - the next introductory meeting will be on Sunday at 
> 11:00 CEST / Berlin time. Hope some more people can also make it.
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
> Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2023, 12:19:44 CEST schrieb Björn Balazs:
>
>> Moin,
>>
>> I have set up a new Nuudel, so we can find the next spot for our
>> introductory meeting:
>>
>> https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/PjmgGGgnPha2C2vc
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
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