Hosting

[Björn Balazs]

Moin,

I sent them a mail. Will let you know  when I talked to them.

Cheers,
Björn


Am 27. Juli 2023 18:08:46 MESZ schrieb Gregor Rosenauer <gregor.rosenauer at gmail.com>:
>Thanks this looks very interesting, didn't know about them and they are in
>business for 20 years already...
>
>Do you know the cost? I could only find a contact form - is it possible to
>work in a peer2peer fashion for free?
>
>Brg,
>Gregor
>
>Kevin Herschbach <kevin.herschbach at tuta.io> schrieb am Do., 27. Juli 2023,
>16:18:
>
>> Regarding hosting, I'd just like to mention Hostsharing eG, a German
>> hosting coop: https://www.hostsharing.net/
>>
>> It's mainly targeted towards technically savvy users, but I don't think
>> this will be a problem with this group.
>>
>> Idealogically, I'd say they're very much aligned with us. Maybe some of
>> the members would even like to support us in some way.
>>
>> Anyway, just a suggestion.
>>
>>
>>
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>> 1. Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V. (Björn Balazs)
>> 2. Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V. (Gregor Rosenauer)
>> 3. Re: Next Introduction Meeting (Björn Balazs)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:49:43 +0200
>> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
>> To: privacy-reloaded at kde.org
>> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
>> Message-ID: <57D18A7C-02CF-4E74-B1C5-A02F22F93C17 at lazs.de>
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>>
>> Moin!
>>
>> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought
>> we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a
>> Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your
>> experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <
>> christian at buggedei.de>:
>>
>> Good morning!
>>
>> >I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
>> >moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
>> >out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>>
>>
>> >That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to
>> get
>> >it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>>
>>
>> >Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
>> >(Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
>> >Obsidian online?)
>>
>>
>> >Cheers,
>> >Christian Buggedei
>>
>>
>> >On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>>
>> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
>> should
>> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
>> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>>
>>
>> Moin!
>>
>> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
>> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better than
>> I
>> could have dreamt of.
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make all
>> the
>> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
>> personal
>> data storage become real.
>>
>> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
>> is a
>> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas I
>> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
>> society.
>> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This implies
>> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is only
>> one
>> shot we have.
>>
>> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further. As
>> I
>> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This will
>> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
>> together
>> further.
>>
>> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
>> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
>> data
>> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
>> without compromising privacy.
>>
>> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
>> document
>> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and install
>> tools for this.
>>
>> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
>> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
>> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
>> Discourse?)
>>
>> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested technologies?
>>
>> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
>> the
>> final name though.
>>
>> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
>> And I
>> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
>> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
>> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
>> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:12:43 +0200
>> From: Gregor Rosenauer <gregor.rosenauer at gmail.com>
>> To: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
>> Cc: privacy-reloaded at kde.org
>> Subject: Re: Next steps: Forum, Wiki, e.V.
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>> Ich finde generell nextcloud sehr gut, und seit einigen Jahren gibt es mit
>> collective auch ein Wiki dazu:
>>
>> https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/collectives
>>
>> Gute Einführung auf Deutsch:
>> https://www.hkn.de/nextcloud/nextcloud-collective-wiki
>>
>> Für Diskussionen bietet sich natürlich Discourse an:
>> https://www.discourse.org/
>>
>> Hosting ist eine andere Frage, aber ich glaube für den Anfang bieten beide
>> genannten Projekte gratis oder sehr günstige Cloud Zugänge an.
>>
>> Lg
>> Gregor
>>
>> Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> schrieb am Mi., 26. Juli 2023, 18:49:
>>
>> Moin!
>>
>> I was looking at FLOSS project management software today, since I thought
>> we might be better off with a combination of Wiki and PM, than with a
>> Mediawiki. But: I did not find anything convincing... What are your
>> experiences? Anything you like and would suggest?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>>
>> Am 26. Juli 2023 11:04:36 MESZ schrieb Christian Buggedei <
>> christian at buggedei.de>:
>>
>> Good morning!
>>
>> I would love to help out with the experience as a Product Person and
>> moderate a few techniques to collect and sort through the ideas, figuring
>> out implementation steps, user and corporate benefits, etc.
>>
>> That said, I am a bit swamped with the day job, but I should be able to
>> get it together for a few hours per month at the very least.
>>
>> Also: I love Discourse, and have a slight dislike for MediaWiki :)
>> (Although I don't have a particular recommendation for alternatives. Maybe
>> Obsidian online?)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christian Buggedei
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 at 15:21, Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de> wrote:
>>
>> tl;dr: I am overwhelmed by the feedback on the initiative and think we
>> should
>> take the next step and formalize as an e.V. To document discussions and
>> decisions we will establish some services on our own premise.
>>
>>
>> Moin!
>>
>> Next to the meetings I organized and offered here, I did lots of direct
>> meetings and the feedback I get so far is just great and much better
>> than I
>> could have dreamt of.
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> The impression I get is that there is a need for a facilitator to make
>> all the
>> great concepts that exist around the basic idea of a de-centralized
>> personal
>> data storage become real.
>>
>> So far most initiatives focus on technical realizations. What is missing
>> is a
>> plan to implement these solutions as a new normal in society. The ideas
>> I
>> present mostly focus on a strategy for exactly this implementation in
>> society.
>> As I outlined, we will need strong partners to get this done. This
>> implies
>> that we - the different initiatives - need to do this together. It is
>> only one
>> shot we have.
>>
>> In order to move forward, I think we need to institutionalize further.
>> As I
>> live in Germany, I suggest to create an e.V. as a legal entity. This
>> will
>> allow us to handle money and formalize our goals and the way we work
>> together
>> further.
>>
>> The goal of this e.V. would be something like:
>> Prepare the creation and implementation of a NGO that - on behalf of the
>> data
>> owners - provides a marketplace for accessing and working with user data
>> without compromising privacy.
>>
>> Of course, before we can do so we need to continue discussions and
>> document
>> the ideas further. So the next steps will be to create a space and
>> install
>> tools for this.
>>
>> I think there are two things we need most urgently:
>> - A wiki for documentation (Mediawiki [1]?)
>> - A forum to discuss (basically as substitute for this mailing list -
>> Discourse?)
>>
>> Anything else you think we need or opinions on the suggested
>> technologies?
>>
>> We will use the domain privact.org for that. This is not a decision on
>> the
>> final name though.
>>
>> I will order some Hetzner cloudspace for that (Again opinions on that?).
>> And I
>> hope that Frank and other volunteers help to get these services running.
>> Anybody else willing to help on that task?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>>
>> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/de
>> [2] https://github.com/discourse/discourse
>> [3] https://www.hetzner.com/--
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>> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:02:44 +0200
>> From: Björn Balazs <b at lazs.de>
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>> Subject: Re: Next Introduction Meeting
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>> Moin,
>>
>> the Nuudel has spoken - the next introductory meeting will be on Sunday at
>> 11:00 CEST / Berlin time. Hope some more people can also make it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2023, 12:19:44 CEST schrieb Björn Balazs:
>>
>> Moin,
>>
>> I have set up a new Nuudel, so we can find the next spot for our
>> introductory meeting:
>>
>> https://nuudel.digitalcourage.de/PjmgGGgnPha2C2vc
>>
>> Looking forward to meet you!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
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