KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/systemtray

[pinheiro]

A Friday 04 July 2008 02:38:57, Chani escreveu:
> On July 3, 2008 18:15:52 pinheiro wrote:
> > A Friday 04 July 2008 00:22:29, Chani escreveu:
> > > On July 3, 2008 02:05:58 pinheiro wrote:
> > > > A Wednesday 02 July 2008 22:44:47, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:
> > > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Michael Rudolph wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 20:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > > > > The reason for my pointy-headed enquiry was, that given the time
> > > > > > frame (4.3), I was hoping we could already be pushing something
> > > > > > fundamentally better than a systemtray.
> > > > >
> > > > > remember that by using IPC we finally break the link between
> > > > > presentation and content here.
> > > > >
> > > > > which means we could put the systray functionality for icons
> > > > > associated with a window *in the taskbar*! something both seli and
> > > > > i want *badly*.
> > > > >
> > > > > that's just one of the possibilities here.
> > > > >
> > > > > > When I look at what a systray does or rather what it is supposed
> > > > > > to do and than look at the possibilities we have with plasma, I
> > > > > > wonder how useful it is to pursue this old technology.
> > > > >
> > > > > it depends on the topic. for some things it's a really easy
> > > > > solution. kmix is the classic example imho: it just needs an icon
> > > > > with a popup, really. but it also needs/wants to coordinate with
> > > > > its main application window.
> > > > >
> > > > > one could go and write a complex plasmoid for it (that tracks the
> > > > > window id of kmix if running, for example) or one could just make a
> > > > > systray window the kmix app.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's a lot less code, a lot simpler to do and in this case is
> > > > > pretty much what one wants (well, except for the slider looking
> > > > > like ass; we need to fix that as soon as libplasma is out of
> > > > > kdebase)
> > > > >
> > > > > for many other scenarios .. it doesn't make much sense, and we
> > > > > should be triaging those out of the system tray if at all possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > this will mean, i think, making a way to add plasmoids that is,
> > > > > from the user, non-distinguishable from launching an application.
> > > > > should be hard to do, really (using the existing
> > > > > plasma-applet-*.desktop files even), but would need to get done.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah I tend to agrea the systemtray nowadays is over populated with
> > > > items that could/should not be there. But here are many that should
> > > > like kmix, everything that one would like to adjust/view constantly,
> > > > the probelem is that the system tray in in the pannel that is allways
> > > > visible that, provides the systemtray that bonus. if we remove an
> > > > systemtray item from the systemtray  into some were else like the
> > > > "desktop" we are making less
> > >
> > > err... but plasmoids can go anywhere I want, panel *or* desktop.
> > >
> > > I'd put my systray as a whole on the desktop if it played nice with
> > > dashboard, actually. for a while I did. there are too many icons in
> > > there that just act as a second taskbar. I'd rather have the
> > > actually-useful ones as applets I can put directly on my panel (and
> > > maybe stick some on the screensaver too - kmix specifically)
> >
> > the only problem with that line is that they will probaly not look as
> > cerent
>
> cerent?
coerent sorry
> > as the icons in the system tray do... each applet will want to
> > present itself its hown way. and that usuly leeds to what is preceved has
> > ugly.
>
> random application icons on the panel vs. random application icons on the
> systray... I really don't see there being much of a difference visually,
> apart from not being forced to have them all in one place. so long as
> applets respect the plasma theme, I'd expect them to be *more* consistent.

the plasma theme does not go that far... theming specialy small stuf is not as heasy as saying it, the grund rulles that the systemtry sets as looks go are prety strickt and aply to all of the items, Well at least as we use it :)
I'm not sure applets would do that in fact im prety sure that each apliction would do its hown thing.

In my line of buiness we have a name for that its "O meu castelinho" (my litle castle) what is that? I will explain, every time some one wants to make an house its theyr hown "litle Castle" they want their house to stand out in the midle of the croud, and so they do it, even if flowing the grond defined urbanistic rules for the area, they manage to try to do it, and they dont succed for the only reason that every one else ist trying the same thing.

Individaulay each litle castle is quinda prety, but the urbanistic scenery is an uter mess.

Im not saying we should not folow that path im saying we should be aware of were it might leads us. 

Basacly I'm saying we should keep a small lesh on this aspects its very easy that every one wants to do its hown small prety castle.   

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