KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/systemtray

[Chani]

On July 3, 2008 18:15:52 pinheiro wrote:
> A Friday 04 July 2008 00:22:29, Chani escreveu:
> > On July 3, 2008 02:05:58 pinheiro wrote:
> > > A Wednesday 02 July 2008 22:44:47, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:
> > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Michael Rudolph wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 20:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > > > The reason for my pointy-headed enquiry was, that given the time
> > > > > frame (4.3), I was hoping we could already be pushing something
> > > > > fundamentally better than a systemtray.
> > > >
> > > > remember that by using IPC we finally break the link between
> > > > presentation and content here.
> > > >
> > > > which means we could put the systray functionality for icons
> > > > associated with a window *in the taskbar*! something both seli and i
> > > > want *badly*.
> > > >
> > > > that's just one of the possibilities here.
> > > >
> > > > > When I look at what a systray does or rather what it is supposed to
> > > > > do and than look at the possibilities we have with plasma, I wonder
> > > > > how useful it is to pursue this old technology.
> > > >
> > > > it depends on the topic. for some things it's a really easy solution.
> > > > kmix is the classic example imho: it just needs an icon with a popup,
> > > > really. but it also needs/wants to coordinate with its main
> > > > application window.
> > > >
> > > > one could go and write a complex plasmoid for it (that tracks the
> > > > window id of kmix if running, for example) or one could just make a
> > > > systray window the kmix app.
> > > >
> > > > it's a lot less code, a lot simpler to do and in this case is pretty
> > > > much what one wants (well, except for the slider looking like ass; we
> > > > need to fix that as soon as libplasma is out of kdebase)
> > > >
> > > > for many other scenarios .. it doesn't make much sense, and we should
> > > > be triaging those out of the system tray if at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > this will mean, i think, making a way to add plasmoids that is, from
> > > > the user, non-distinguishable from launching an application. should
> > > > be hard to do, really (using the existing plasma-applet-*.desktop
> > > > files even), but would need to get done.
> > >
> > > Yeah I tend to agrea the systemtray nowadays is over populated with
> > > items that could/should not be there. But here are many that should
> > > like kmix, everything that one would like to adjust/view constantly,
> > > the probelem is that the system tray in in the pannel that is allways
> > > visible that, provides the systemtray that bonus. if we remove an
> > > systemtray item from the systemtray  into some were else like the
> > > "desktop" we are making less
> >
> > err... but plasmoids can go anywhere I want, panel *or* desktop.
> >
> > I'd put my systray as a whole on the desktop if it played nice with
> > dashboard, actually. for a while I did. there are too many icons in there
> > that just act as a second taskbar. I'd rather have the actually-useful
> > ones as applets I can put directly on my panel (and maybe stick some on
> > the screensaver too - kmix specifically)
>
> the only problem with that line is that they will probaly not look as
> cerent
cerent?
> as the icons in the system tray do... each applet will want to 
> present itself its hown way. and that usuly leeds to what is preceved has
> ugly.

random application icons on the panel vs. random application icons on the 
systray... I really don't see there being much of a difference visually, 
apart from not being forced to have them all in one place. so long as applets 
respect the plasma theme, I'd expect them to be *more* consistent.


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