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<p><span style="color:#000000">A Friday 04 July 2008 02:38:57, Chani escreveu:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> On July 3, 2008 18:15:52 pinheiro wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > A Friday 04 July 2008 00:22:29, Chani escreveu:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > On July 3, 2008 02:05:58 pinheiro wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > A Wednesday 02 July 2008 22:44:47, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Michael Rudolph wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 20:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > The reason for my pointy-headed enquiry was, that given the time</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > frame (4.3), I was hoping we could already be pushing something</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > fundamentally better than a systemtray.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > remember that by using IPC we finally break the link between</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > presentation and content here.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > which means we could put the systray functionality for icons</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > associated with a window *in the taskbar*! something both seli and</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > i want *badly*.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > that's just one of the possibilities here.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > When I look at what a systray does or rather what it is supposed</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > to do and than look at the possibilities we have with plasma, I</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > > wonder how useful it is to pursue this old technology.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > it depends on the topic. for some things it's a really easy</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > solution. kmix is the classic example imho: it just needs an icon</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > with a popup, really. but it also needs/wants to coordinate with</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > its main application window.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > one could go and write a complex plasmoid for it (that tracks the</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > window id of kmix if running, for example) or one could just make a</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > systray window the kmix app.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > it's a lot less code, a lot simpler to do and in this case is</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > pretty much what one wants (well, except for the slider looking</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > like ass; we need to fix that as soon as libplasma is out of</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > kdebase)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > for many other scenarios .. it doesn't make much sense, and we</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > should be triaging those out of the system tray if at all possible.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > this will mean, i think, making a way to add plasmoids that is,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > from the user, non-distinguishable from launching an application.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > should be hard to do, really (using the existing</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > > plasma-applet-*.desktop files even), but would need to get done.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > Yeah I tend to agrea the systemtray nowadays is over populated with</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > items that could/should not be there. But here are many that should</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > like kmix, everything that one would like to adjust/view constantly,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > the probelem is that the system tray in in the pannel that is allways</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > visible that, provides the systemtray that bonus. if we remove an</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > systemtray item from the systemtray into some were else like the</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > > "desktop" we are making less</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > err... but plasmoids can go anywhere I want, panel *or* desktop.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > I'd put my systray as a whole on the desktop if it played nice with</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > dashboard, actually. for a while I did. there are too many icons in</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > there that just act as a second taskbar. I'd rather have the</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > actually-useful ones as applets I can put directly on my panel (and</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > > maybe stick some on the screensaver too - kmix specifically)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> ></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > the only problem with that line is that they will probaly not look as</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > cerent</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">> cerent?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">coerent sorry</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > as the icons in the system tray do... each applet will want to</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > present itself its hown way. and that usuly leeds to what is preceved has</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> > ugly.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">> random application icons on the panel vs. random application icons on the</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> systray... I really don't see there being much of a difference visually,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> apart from not being forced to have them all in one place. so long as</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">> applets respect the plasma theme, I'd expect them to be *more* consistent.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">the plasma theme does not go that far... theming specialy small stuf is not as heasy as saying it, the grund rulles that the systemtry sets as looks go are prety strickt and aply to all of the items, Well at least as we use it :)</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#000000">I'm not sure applets would do that in fact im prety sure that each apliction would do its hown thing.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">In my line of buiness we have a name for that its "O meu castelinho" (my litle castle) what is that? I will explain, every time some one wants to make an house its theyr hown "litle Castle" they want their house to stand out in the midle of the croud, and so they do it, even if flowing the grond defined urbanistic rules for the area, they manage to try to do it, and they dont succed for the only reason that every one else ist trying the same thing.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">Individaulay each litle castle is quinda prety, but the urbanistic scenery is an uter mess.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">Im not saying we should not folow that path im saying we should be aware of were it might leads us. </span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#000000">Basacly I'm saying we should keep a small lesh on this aspects its very easy that every one wants to do its hown small prety castle. </span></p>
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