KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/systemtray

[pinheiro]

A Friday 04 July 2008 00:22:29, Chani escreveu:
> On July 3, 2008 02:05:58 pinheiro wrote:
> > A Wednesday 02 July 2008 22:44:47, Aaron J. Seigo escreveu:
> > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Michael Rudolph wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 20:18:08 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > > The reason for my pointy-headed enquiry was, that given the time
> > > > frame (4.3), I was hoping we could already be pushing something
> > > > fundamentally better than a systemtray.
> > >
> > > remember that by using IPC we finally break the link between
> > > presentation and content here.
> > >
> > > which means we could put the systray functionality for icons associated
> > > with a window *in the taskbar*! something both seli and i want *badly*.
> > >
> > > that's just one of the possibilities here.
> > >
> > > > When I look at what a systray does or rather what it is supposed to
> > > > do and than look at the possibilities we have with plasma, I wonder
> > > > how useful it is to pursue this old technology.
> > >
> > > it depends on the topic. for some things it's a really easy solution.
> > > kmix is the classic example imho: it just needs an icon with a popup,
> > > really. but it also needs/wants to coordinate with its main application
> > > window.
> > >
> > > one could go and write a complex plasmoid for it (that tracks the
> > > window id of kmix if running, for example) or one could just make a
> > > systray window the kmix app.
> > >
> > > it's a lot less code, a lot simpler to do and in this case is pretty
> > > much what one wants (well, except for the slider looking like ass; we
> > > need to fix that as soon as libplasma is out of kdebase)
> > >
> > > for many other scenarios .. it doesn't make much sense, and we should
> > > be triaging those out of the system tray if at all possible.
> > >
> > > this will mean, i think, making a way to add plasmoids that is, from
> > > the user, non-distinguishable from launching an application. should be
> > > hard to do, really (using the existing plasma-applet-*.desktop files
> > > even), but would need to get done.
> >
> > Yeah I tend to agrea the systemtray nowadays is over populated with items
> > that could/should not be there. But here are many that should like kmix,
> > everything that one would like to adjust/view constantly, the probelem is
> > that the system tray in in the pannel that is allways visible that,
> > provides the systemtray that bonus. if we remove an systemtray item from
> > the systemtray  into some were else like the "desktop" we are making less
>
> err... but plasmoids can go anywhere I want, panel *or* desktop.
>
> I'd put my systray as a whole on the desktop if it played nice with
> dashboard, actually. for a while I did. there are too many icons in there
> that just act as a second taskbar. I'd rather have the actually-useful ones
> as applets I can put directly on my panel (and maybe stick some on the
> screensaver too - kmix specifically)
the only problem with that line is that they will probaly not look as cerent 
as the icons in the system tray do... each applet will want to present itself 
its hown way. and that usuly leeds to what is preceved has ugly.
but yeah I agre we have to come up with a way to have less cluterness in the 
systemtray.


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