[Kmymoney-devel] KDE or Sourceforge (or both) Tracking System ?

[Χρήστος]

9-08-2010, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:

> Since you seem to have ignored or missed all my previous "As we move
> away from Sourceforge and into KDE infrastucture *blink* *blink*"
> mails, let me answer one by one.
> 
> 2010/8/19 Χρήστος Σιουλής <CSioulis at dsa.gr>:
> > Sorry, I am a little confused about the current situation of the
> > project's development procedures (after the migration to KDE Development
> > Platform). I have the following questions:
> >


Sorry, but I really missed the mentioned thread. I have just searched
all my mailbox (I receive both 'devel' and 'user' sourceforge lists
regularly) by word "KDE" or "SourceForge" in the subject field and I
found nothing! (-except some threads about "when KDE4 version will be
out", or "porting from cvs to svn or git" - which "is all greek to
me" :-) ).
I searched also the articles in the forum and also I didn't find a
similar post. -Where had these mails been published ? (Maybe I
miss/ignore a main source for information about kmymoney -apart the
above mentioned sources, or -maybe- it happened to have problems with my
mail services the period that this thread was published)


> > -Is it valid to use Sourceforge tracking system (for Bug Reports and
> > Feature Requests)?
> 
> For versions 3.95 and later, NO.
> 
> 
> >
> > -Is there a decision to abandon totally the Sourceforge platform?
> 
> In the future, yes. Some stuff still has to be sorted out, like
> download location and web server, and it's not important at the
> moment.
> >
> > -Recently I was invoked to create an account on KDE mail-lists for
> > KMyMoney. Should we send messages ONLY to KMyMoney-devel/user at kde.org
> > from a point of time in the future (and abandon @lists.sourceforge.net)?
> 
> If you are using the kde4 version, you should only use the kde.org lists.
> 
> >
> > -Is there a different approach confronting the releases ? (KMymoney2 ->
> > SourceForge,  KMymoney4 -> KDE ?) May I continue to use Sourceforge for
> > KMyMoney4 issues ???
> >
> 
> There are different people and the approach is different. The KDE3
> version is on sunset, on feature-freeze for over a year, and soon to
> be frozen.
> 
> Some of the people on the KMM4 team don't even have a Sourceforge account.
> 
> If it has to do with KMM4, you have to use the kde infrastructure, not
> sourceforge. period.
> 
> > -Is it fact that KDE tracking system is so unconvinced in front of the
> > relative of sourceforge one? (I haven't manage to have a simple list of
> > ALL KMyMoney bug reports in
> > http://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi?format=specific -it needs words/creteria
> > to reduce the results! -and it isn't shows a column with the date of the
> > post!)
> 
> You can save the search if you wish and have them as default. That's
> what we all do. You can add columns too.
> Sorry if you don't like Bugzilla. It's not the best tracker in the
> world. Neither is the one on SF.
> 
> 
> >
> > -So, If I don't mistake, there are TWO different Bug/Feature Req.
> > tracking systems for KMyMoney with DIFFERENT content and different
> > Numbers?
> >
> At the moment, yes. There will be only one very soon. But, one only
> has KDE3 bugs, and the other only has KDE4 bugs.
> 
> And, as shocking as it may sound to you, we have used Bugzilla for the
> KDE3 version for a long time. We also track bugs in Launchpad, and in
> Debian tracker, and in a couple other distro tracker.
> 
> But yes, we are changing our primary tracker. In doubt, see above (eg.
> anything KMM4-related goes to the KDE infrastructure)
> 
> 
> > Can somebody clarify the all situation and inform us -the "participating
> > users" :-) about the correct methods to participate on the project?
> >
> 
> See above. I'd appreciate if you read the archives, as I have informed
> the situation ever since this has started, and I tend to see your
> quotes in "participating users" as an irony.
> Participating implies reading the messages and asking questions when
> something is not clear. The situation has been setup and informed
> again and again over the course of a year, yet this is the first I get
> from you.
> 
> I hope this email clarifies it.


Yes, your answers were very clear and useful to me -and I hope to others
too.

BUT, 
I feel ONE MORE TIME that YOU are *inappropriately* very offensive
against me (personally) ! You maybe misunderstand my motivations or my
expressions (given that I always have to use lexicon to translate my
thoughts from  Greek to English, even for a simple phrase!). 
For example, when I put quotes in "participating users" I mean simple
users of kmymoney (like me) that DON'T participate enough (because of
programming ignorance and/or lack of time) and they only publish some
ideas or problems when they try to use the program in the context of
their daily jobs/actions. period.

And yes, during the course of last year I had personal/business
problems, I stopped use/update Kmymoney base for all this  period and
now I examine again if it worths to append a huge data-entry to my old
kmymoney data-file (for all my business activities this last year) or to
abandon it. And my decisions depends on the future plans/roadmap of
kmymoney project and particularly if there are possibilities that (in
the near future):
-> there will be easy ways for massive data-entries (i.e. the CSV
importing plugin, a -soon proposed from me- "transaction templates with
formulae" feature, a database converting/parsing front-end, etc)
-> the development team (and mainly you) be convinced that the way the
kmymoney handles and represent transfer transactions is buggy and
incomplete (and I have to mention many bug reports and feature requests
that depends on it!)
-> and if that, after the successful migration to kde4, there are
thoughts in the future to improve the business aspects of the program
(such as the VAT handling, inventory support -alternating the existing
code for stocks-, invoice & orders handling, etc.)

If my "participation" on these DISTURBS you, OK, I Fold!
Anyway, given that "we (the simple "participating users") are not
contributing a patch" (sic - at one of your sharp answers on a previous
thread) maybe we haven't the right to ask and/or comment at YOUR
project!

Bye!
S. Chris


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