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9-08-2010, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
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Since you seem to have ignored or missed all my previous "As we move
away from Sourceforge and into KDE infrastucture *blink* *blink*"
mails, let me answer one by one.
2010/8/19 Χρήστος Σιουλής <<A HREF="mailto:CSioulis@dsa.gr">CSioulis@dsa.gr</A>>:
> Sorry, I am a little confused about the current situation of the
> project's development procedures (after the migration to KDE Development
> Platform). I have the following questions:
>
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Sorry, but I really missed the mentioned thread. I have just searched all my mailbox (I receive both 'devel' and 'user' sourceforge lists regularly) by word "KDE" or "SourceForge" in the subject field and I found nothing! (-except some threads about "when KDE4 version will be out", or "porting from cvs to svn or git" - which "is all greek to me" :-) ).<BR>
I searched also the articles in the forum and also I didn't find a similar post. -Where had these mails been published ? (Maybe I miss/ignore a main source for information about kmymoney -apart the above mentioned sources, or -maybe- it happened to have problems with my mail services the period that this thread was published)<BR>
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> -Is it valid to use Sourceforge tracking system (for Bug Reports and
> Feature Requests)?
For versions 3.95 and later, NO.
>
> -Is there a decision to abandon totally the Sourceforge platform?
In the future, yes. Some stuff still has to be sorted out, like
download location and web server, and it's not important at the
moment.
>
> -Recently I was invoked to create an account on KDE mail-lists for
> KMyMoney. Should we send messages ONLY to KMyMoney-devel/<A HREF="mailto:user@kde.org">user@kde.org</A>
> from a point of time in the future (and abandon @lists.sourceforge.net)?
If you are using the kde4 version, you should only use the kde.org lists.
>
> -Is there a different approach confronting the releases ? (KMymoney2 ->
> SourceForge, KMymoney4 -> KDE ?) May I continue to use Sourceforge for
> KMyMoney4 issues ???
>
There are different people and the approach is different. The KDE3
version is on sunset, on feature-freeze for over a year, and soon to
be frozen.
Some of the people on the KMM4 team don't even have a Sourceforge account.
If it has to do with KMM4, you have to use the kde infrastructure, not
sourceforge. period.
> -Is it fact that KDE tracking system is so unconvinced in front of the
> relative of sourceforge one? (I haven't manage to have a simple list of
> ALL KMyMoney bug reports in
> <A HREF="http://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi?format=specific">http://bugs.kde.org/query.cgi?format=specific</A> -it needs words/creteria
> to reduce the results! -and it isn't shows a column with the date of the
> post!)
You can save the search if you wish and have them as default. That's
what we all do. You can add columns too.
Sorry if you don't like Bugzilla. It's not the best tracker in the
world. Neither is the one on SF.
>
> -So, If I don't mistake, there are TWO different Bug/Feature Req.
> tracking systems for KMyMoney with DIFFERENT content and different
> Numbers?
>
At the moment, yes. There will be only one very soon. But, one only
has KDE3 bugs, and the other only has KDE4 bugs.
And, as shocking as it may sound to you, we have used Bugzilla for the
KDE3 version for a long time. We also track bugs in Launchpad, and in
Debian tracker, and in a couple other distro tracker.
But yes, we are changing our primary tracker. In doubt, see above (eg.
anything KMM4-related goes to the KDE infrastructure)
> Can somebody clarify the all situation and inform us -the "participating
> users" :-) about the correct methods to participate on the project?
>
See above. I'd appreciate if you read the archives, as I have informed
the situation ever since this has started, and I tend to see your
quotes in "participating users" as an irony.
Participating implies reading the messages and asking questions when
something is not clear. The situation has been setup and informed
again and again over the course of a year, yet this is the first I get
from you.
I hope this email clarifies it.
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Yes, your answers were very clear and useful to me -and I hope to others too.<BR>
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BUT, <BR>
I feel ONE MORE TIME that YOU are *inappropriately* very offensive against me (personally) ! You maybe misunderstand my motivations or my expressions (given that I always have to use lexicon to translate my thoughts from Greek to English, even for a simple phrase!). <BR>
For example, when I put quotes in "participating users" I mean simple users of kmymoney (like me) that DON'T participate enough (because of programming ignorance and/or lack of time) and they only publish some ideas or problems when they try to use the program in the context of their daily jobs/actions. period.<BR>
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And yes, during the course of last year I had personal/business problems, I stopped use/update Kmymoney base for all this period and now I examine again if it worths to append a huge data-entry to my old kmymoney data-file (for all my business activities this last year) or to abandon it. And my decisions depends on the future plans/roadmap of kmymoney project and particularly if there are possibilities that (in the near future):<BR>
-> there will be easy ways for massive data-entries (i.e. the CSV importing plugin, a -soon proposed from me- "transaction templates with formulae" feature, a database converting/parsing front-end, etc)<BR>
-> the development team (and mainly you) be convinced that the way the kmymoney handles and represent transfer transactions is buggy and incomplete (and I have to mention many bug reports and feature requests that depends on it!)<BR>
-> and if that, after the successful migration to kde4, there are thoughts in the future to improve the business aspects of the program (such as the VAT handling, inventory support -alternating the existing code for stocks-, invoice & orders handling, etc.)<BR>
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If my "participation" on these DISTURBS you, OK, I Fold!<BR>
Anyway, <TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">given that </FONT></TT><TT>"</TT><TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">w</FONT></TT><TT>e </TT><TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">(</FONT></TT><TT>the </TT><TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">s</FONT></TT><TT>imple </TT><TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">"</FONT></TT><TT>participating users")</TT><TT><FONT COLOR="#000000"> are not</FONT></TT><BR>
<TT><FONT COLOR="#000000">contributing a patch</FONT></TT><TT>" (sic - at one of your sharp answers on a <A HREF="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=kmymoney2-developer&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=201004&viewday=29">previous thread</A>) maybe we haven't the right to ask and/or comment at YOUR project!</TT><BR>
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Bye!<BR>
S. Chris<BR>
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