[kdenlive] Kdenlive website and brand logo?
Jesse DuBord
jesse.dubord at gmail.com
Thu Mar 31 19:59:10 UTC 2016
Hi Iwan,
No disagreement: the colored-icons have a purpose, but I'm saying they
don't have to be colored, is all. It's all well and good that they are;
it's not a bad thing to introduce a little color into the interface, if
even just for the sake of a few accented areas, IMHO. I think a solely
monochrome scheme can look very bland (which, of course, Kdenlive isn't
currently monochrome).
Definitely, the timeline cursor/marker a central element. However,
Lightworks has a red timeline cursor, Adobe Premiere Pro has a red
timeline cursor, AVID has a blue timeline cursor; Sony Vegas and Final
Cut Pro are the only ones that seem to have a black(ish) timeline
cursor. If anything, I think that coloring it will /make/**it stand out
more, indicating it /is/ a central element.
I admit, I expressed the reason for suggesting the change as to match
the logo, but I guess there were other benefits I hadn't considered that
arose after discussing it. (1) User association with the new logo
(which, I imagine there can be confusion from various users about
whether it's the same program or not after Google-searching it, seeing
different icons in software managers, etc.) (2) It can distinguish the
timeline cursor as a central element in the program (which would be
congruent with the elements in Farid's logo design as well: the
timeline, the timeline cursor, and the play [render/finalization] symbol).
Alright, I've spoken my peace about the suggestion. If the dev's think
it's best, then go for it. If not, black and white works fine, too.
Appreciate the feedback, Iwan. And 16.04 is looking & working absolutely
fantastic. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work. It's seriously
showing! I've already finished multiple commercial video projects using
the latest git master builds. :)
Cheers all,
Jesse
On 03/31/2016 12:37 PM, Iwan Gabovitch wrote:
> Hi Jesse,
>
> The render icon red makes sense when referring to record buttons
> traditionally etc but I agree that there is no danger in pressing it,
> so the red doesn't serve a warning purpose. (Although I noticed that I
> am quicker to find it the moment I am ready to render, which makes
> me/kdenlive feels efficient.)
>
> The trash icon is probably red to warn although I don't see the need.
> It can be undone and there's a popup if the clip is used. But even
> though it draws attention to it sometimes, I didn't think it was a
> problem.
>
> I think it'd be worth mentioning in regards to the playhead marker
> because it is a central element, nearly like the cursor in a drawing
> app. I believe it is standard to have it black or white in timelines
> in both video and audio production software.
> The suggested purpose of the orange mockup is to color-match with the
> logo rather than a utility function. Also orange is close to red,
> which is used in timelines to indicate a cut action.
>
> Cheers,
> Iwan
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com
> <mailto:jesse.dubord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Iwan,
>
> Appreciate the feedback sir. Though, I'd have to respectfully
> disagree. I agree wholly that much of the color in the program
> should be related to purpose. However, there are plenty of little
> accent colors that exist just for aesthetics, and they don't come
> off as ambiguous or do the program any harm (e.g. the effects and
> transitions have a variety of colors, though they don't have any
> pattern as far as function categorically, or the trash icon in the
> Project Bin being a different color than the rest of the icons, or
> the render icon having a red dot in it).
>
> I agree that the color might be a little faded; but maybe a more
> vibrant orange - but still relatively close - would do better.
>
> What I like about Farid's logo is that each component is - to me -
> a symbol of the Kdenlive interface: the left bars I associate with
> the timeline, the cursor is the timeline position cursor, and the
> "play" icon represents the final product of Kdenlive (a final
> video file). Not sure if that's what Farid was intending, but
> that's what I take from it.
>
> I don't think an accent color for the timeline cursor would do the
> timeline any harm at all. That said, it's a small suggestion for
> consideration. It's not a hill to die on. :) Just thought it'd
> look cool. Every program should have its own unique touches here
> and there, you know?
>
> On 03/31/2016 11:37 AM, Iwan Gabovitch wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It its much less visible, the orange doesn't look good on top of
>> the UI.
>>
>> Trying to match colors in icon, logo, software UI and website is
>> a problematic idea. Each of these products has a function very
>> different from each other and colors in these products should be
>> used with purpose other than product identity.
>>
>> If it is wanted to promote product identity, I'd suggest placing
>> the logo in the background (about half opacity) in the bottom
>> right corner of the project bin area and make it possible to
>> disable it in the settings (shown by default).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Iwan
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Jesse DuBord
>> <jesse.dubord at gmail.com <mailto:jesse.dubord at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Great stuff, Farid and JB.
>>
>> A small thought about associating the new logo with the
>> program: what about changing the color of the timeline
>> position cursor in the program to the shade of orange in the
>> new logo? It looks like it would compliment the program in
>> both Breeze and Breeze Dark themes.
>>
>> Here are some mock-ups I made:
>> Breeze Dark -
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0xu5zvf8kv8k2f/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20dark.jpg?dl=0
>> Breeze Light -
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfqhqtof48rchos/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20light.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> What do you all think?
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 10:29:45 +0200
>> From: Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <jb at kdenlive.org
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>> To: farid abdelnour <snd.noise at gmail.com
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>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:18:53 PM CET, farid
>> abdelnour wrote:
>>
>> hey guys
>>
>> here is our last proposal for the logo. thanks to all who
>> helped out. we are finishing the website proposal.
>>
>> direct link:
>> http://i.imgur.com/jgFjMkB.png
>>
>> forum post:
>> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=265&t=131250&p=353737#p353737
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Hello Farid,
>>
>> Sorry it took so long to answer. We had an interesting
>> exchange on the last
>> Kdenlive café about your logo proposal and the website
>> (1), and everyone
>> agrees that the logo looks great.
>>
>> We decided to ask the KDE VDG (visual Design Group) what
>> they think about
>> the logo in KDE's forum (2), to have their feedback, and
>> it looks like they
>> love it too.
>>
>> My only concern was the scalability of the logo for an
>> icon, but I saw on
>> the forum that you are working on an icon version, so
>> that's perfect.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your work!
>>
>> On the website topic, there were many comments / ideas,
>> we will need to
>> discuss it further, also find someone willing to
>> implement the ideas and
>> decide between keeping Drupal or switching to a static
>> site generator..
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jean-Baptiste Mardelle
>>
>> (1) https://notes.kde.org/public/kdenlive-cafe04
>> (2) https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=131757
>>
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