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Hi Iwan,<br>
<br>
No disagreement: the colored-icons have a purpose, but I'm saying
they don't have to be colored, is all. It's all well and good that
they are; it's not a bad thing to introduce a little color into the
interface, if even just for the sake of a few accented areas, IMHO.
I think a solely monochrome scheme can look very bland (which, of
course, Kdenlive isn't currently monochrome).<br>
<br>
Definitely, the timeline cursor/marker a central element. However,
Lightworks has a red timeline cursor, Adobe Premiere Pro has a red
timeline cursor, AVID has a blue timeline cursor; Sony Vegas and
Final Cut Pro are the only ones that seem to have a black(ish)
timeline cursor. If anything, I think that coloring it will <i>make</i><b>
</b>it stand out more, indicating it <i>is</i> a central element.<br>
<br>
I admit, I expressed the reason for suggesting the change as to
match the logo, but I guess there were other benefits I hadn't
considered that arose after discussing it. (1) User association with
the new logo (which, I imagine there can be confusion from various
users about whether it's the same program or not after
Google-searching it, seeing different icons in software managers,
etc.) (2) It can distinguish the timeline cursor as a central
element in the program (which would be congruent with the elements
in Farid's logo design as well: the timeline, the timeline cursor,
and the play [render/finalization] symbol).<br>
<br>
Alright, I've spoken my peace about the suggestion. If the dev's
think it's best, then go for it. If not, black and white works fine,
too.<br>
<br>
Appreciate the feedback, Iwan. And 16.04 is looking & working
absolutely fantastic. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work.
It's seriously showing! I've already finished multiple commercial
video projects using the latest git master builds. :)<br>
<br>
Cheers all,<br>
Jesse<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/31/2016 12:37 PM, Iwan Gabovitch
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+TPUNJUO2EgJHCijLbJmH_o6t57=n5Rvc4co-k=YENnxFPMwQ@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jesse,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The render icon red makes sense when referring to record
buttons traditionally etc but I agree that there is no danger
in pressing it, so the red doesn't serve a warning purpose.
(Although I noticed that I am quicker to find it the moment I
am ready to render, which makes me/kdenlive feels efficient.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The trash icon is probably red to warn although I don't see
the need. It can be undone and there's a popup if the clip is
used. But even though it draws attention to it sometimes, I
didn't think it was a problem.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think it'd be worth mentioning in regards to the playhead
marker because it is a central element, nearly like the cursor
in a drawing app. I believe it is standard to have it black or
white in timelines in both video and audio production
software. </div>
<div>The suggested purpose of the orange mockup is to
color-match with the logo rather than a utility function. Also
orange is close to red, which is used in timelines to indicate
a cut action.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Iwan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Jesse
DuBord <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jesse.dubord@gmail.com" target="_blank">jesse.dubord@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span class=""> Hi
Iwan,<br>
<br>
Appreciate the feedback sir. Though, I'd have to
respectfully disagree. I agree wholly that much of the
color in the program should be related to purpose.
However, there are plenty of little accent colors that
exist just for aesthetics, and they don't come off as
ambiguous or do the program any harm (e.g. the effects
and transitions have a variety of colors, though they
don't have any pattern as far as function categorically,
or the trash icon in the Project Bin being a different
color than the rest of the icons, or the render icon
having a red dot in it).<br>
<br>
I agree that the color might be a little faded; but
maybe a more vibrant orange - but still relatively close
- would do better.<br>
<br>
What I like about Farid's logo is that each component is
- to me - a symbol of the Kdenlive interface: the left
bars I associate with the timeline, the cursor is the
timeline position cursor, and the "play" icon represents
the final product of Kdenlive (a final video file). Not
sure if that's what Farid was intending, but that's what
I take from it. <br>
<br>
I don't think an accent color for the timeline cursor
would do the timeline any harm at all. That said, it's a
small suggestion for consideration. It's not a hill to
die on. :) Just thought it'd look cool. Every program
should have its own unique touches here and there, you
know?<br>
<br>
<div>On 03/31/2016 11:37 AM, Iwan Gabovitch wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It its much less visible, the orange doesn't
look good on top of the UI.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Trying to match colors in icon, logo,
software UI and website is a problematic idea.
Each of these products has a function very
different from each other and colors in these
products should be used with purpose other
than product identity.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If it is wanted to promote product identity,
I'd suggest placing the logo in the background
(about half opacity) in the bottom right corner
of the project bin area and make it possible to
disable it in the settings (shown by default).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Iwan</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at
8:14 PM, Jesse DuBord <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">Great stuff, Farid and
JB.<br>
<br>
A small thought about associating the new logo
with the program: what about changing the
color of the timeline position cursor in the
program to the shade of orange in the new
logo? It looks like it would compliment the
program in both Breeze and Breeze Dark themes.<br>
<br>
Here are some mock-ups I made:<br>
Breeze Dark - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0xu5zvf8kv8k2f/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20dark.jpg?dl=0"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/a0xu5zvf8kv8k2f/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20dark.jpg?dl=0</a><br>
Breeze Light - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfqhqtof48rchos/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20light.jpg?dl=0"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfqhqtof48rchos/kdenlive%20new%20cursor%20color%20-%20breeze%20light.jpg?dl=0</a><br>
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What do you all think?<br>
<br>
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here is our last proposal for the
logo. thanks to all who<br>
helped out. we are finishing the
website proposal.<br>
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direct link:<br>
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Hello Farid,<br>
<br>
Sorry it took so long to answer. We had
an interesting exchange on the last<br>
Kdenlive café about your logo proposal
and the website (1), and everyone<br>
agrees that the logo looks great.<br>
<br>
We decided to ask the KDE VDG (visual
Design Group) what they think about<br>
the logo in KDE's forum (2), to have
their feedback, and it looks like they<br>
love it too.<br>
<br>
My only concern was the scalability of
the logo for an icon, but I saw on<br>
the forum that you are working on an
icon version, so that's perfect.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for your work!<br>
<br>
On the website topic, there were many
comments / ideas, we will need to<br>
discuss it further, also find someone
willing to implement the ideas and<br>
decide between keeping Drupal or
switching to a static site generator..<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Jean-Baptiste Mardelle<br>
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