[Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive Kickstarter

Sun Jan 8 23:56:22 UTC 2012

Hi all

I think it is a great idea raise funds on Kickstarter and I'll do my best
to spread the campaign in Brazil.

Best regards,
wille

2012/1/8 Till Theato <root at ttill.de>

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> On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
> > Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months.
> >
> > I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of
> > kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers
> > and users etc.
>
> Yep, sounds great.
> Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive?
>
> When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are
> active on kdenlive.org for a long time, or who published
> articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive?
>
> >
> > We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best
> > features.
>
> Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not
> sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business,
> editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all
> :). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead?
> But maybe I'm just to negative again ;)
>
> >
> > Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here
> > interested in being interviewed, thatd be great.
>
> At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have
> cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner.
>
> With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises:
> Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account...
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <root at ttill.de> wrote:
> >
> > @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your
> > idea developed into?
> >
> >
> > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote:
> >>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote:
> >>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011
> >>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run
> >>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of
> >>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not
> >>>>>>>> match the user expectations.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to
> >>>>>> work on its features:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full
> >>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features
> >>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined
> >>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive.
> >>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and
> >>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this
> >>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big
> >>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive
> >>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of
> >>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in
> >>>>> Randa.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators...
> >>>>
> >>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features
> >>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done?
> >>>>>> Is stability increased as well?
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much
> >>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new
> >>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others
> >>>> have.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow
> >>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that
> >>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important
> >>>>>> to mention)
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think
> >>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look
> >>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code
> >>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find
> >>>>>> volunteers) before you start working?
> >>>>
> >>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on
> >>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Simon
> >>>>
> >>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you
> >>>>> sell refactoring?
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster
> >>>>>>>> <simon.eu at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script
> >>>>>>>>>>> then?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but
> >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to
> >>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an
> >>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear
> >>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated
> >>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else
> >>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on
> >>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did
> >>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is
> >>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We
> >>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't
> >>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to
> >>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too
> >>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want
> >>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well.
> >>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on
> >>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your
> >>>>>>>>> time on
> >>>>
> >>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere
> >>>>> between April (including) and July (including).
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would
> >>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main
> >>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers
> >>>>>>>>> ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some
> >>>>> work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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Wille
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