[Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive Kickstarter

[Till Theato]

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On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
> Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months.
> 
> I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of
> kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers
> and users etc.

Yep, sounds great.
Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive?

When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are
active on kdenlive.org for a long time, or who published
articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive?

> 
> We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best
> features.

Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not
sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business,
editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all
:). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead?
But maybe I'm just to negative again ;)

> 
> Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here
> interested in being interviewed, thatd be great.

At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have
cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner.

With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises:
Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account...


> On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <root at ttill.de> wrote:
> 
> @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your
> idea developed into?
> 
> 
> On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote:
>>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote:
>>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011
>>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php
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> 
After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run
>>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of
>>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not
>>>>>>>> match the user expectations.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to
>>>>>> work on its features:
>>>> 
>>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full
>>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features
>>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined
>>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive.
>>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and
>>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this
>>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big
>>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive
>>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of 
>>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in
>>>>> Randa.
>>>> 
>>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it.
>>>> 
>>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators...
>>>> 
>>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features
>>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done?
>>>>>> Is stability increased as well?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much
>>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new
>>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others
>>>> have.
>>>> 
>>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow
>>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that
>>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important
>>>>>> to mention)
>>>> 
>>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think
>>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look
>>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code
>>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find
>>>>>> volunteers) before you start working?
>>>> 
>>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on
>>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Simon
>>>> 
>>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you
>>>>> sell refactoring?
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster 
>>>>>>>> <simon.eu at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script
>>>>>>>>>>> then?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to
>>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an
>>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear
>>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated
>>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else
>>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on
>>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did
>>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is
>>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept.
>>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We
>>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0.
>>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to
>>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too 
>>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want
>>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well.
>>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on
>>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your
>>>>>>>>> time on
>>>> 
>>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere
>>>>> between April (including) and July (including).
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would
>>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main
>>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers
>>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>> 
>>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some
>>>>> work.
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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