Hi all<br><br>I think it is a great idea raise funds on Kickstarter and I'll do my best to spread the campaign in Brazil.<br><br>Best regards,<br>wille<br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/8 Till Theato <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:root@ttill.de">root@ttill.de</a>></span><br>
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</div><div class="im">On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote:<br>
> Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months.<br>
><br>
> I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of<br>
> kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers<br>
> and users etc.<br>
<br>
</div>Yep, sounds great.<br>
Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive?<br>
<br>
When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are<br>
active on <a href="http://kdenlive.org" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> for a long time, or who published<br>
articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive?<br>
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> We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best<br>
> features.<br>
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</div>Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not<br>
sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business,<br>
editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all<br>
:). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead?<br>
But maybe I'm just to negative again ;)<br>
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> Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here<br>
> interested in being interviewed, thatd be great.<br>
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</div>At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have<br>
cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner.<br>
<br>
With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises:<br>
Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account...<br>
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> On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <<a href="mailto:root@ttill.de">root@ttill.de</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
</div><div><div class="h5">> @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your<br>
> idea developed into?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote:<br>
>>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote:<br>
>>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011<br>
>>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
> <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php" target="_blank">http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php</a><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
><br>
><br>
After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run<br>
>>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of<br>
>>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not<br>
>>>>>>>> match the user expectations.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to<br>
>>>>>> work on its features:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full<br>
>>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features<br>
>>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined<br>
>>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive.<br>
>>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and<br>
>>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this<br>
>>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big<br>
>>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive<br>
>>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of<br>
>>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in<br>
>>>>> Randa.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features<br>
>>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done?<br>
>>>>>> Is stability increased as well?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much<br>
>>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new<br>
>>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others<br>
>>>> have.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow<br>
>>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that<br>
>>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important<br>
>>>>>> to mention)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think<br>
>>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look<br>
>>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code<br>
>>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find<br>
>>>>>> volunteers) before you start working?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on<br>
>>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>> Simon<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you<br>
>>>>> sell refactoring?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster<br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:simon.eu@gmail.com">simon.eu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote:<br>
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>>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> then?<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but<br>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this!<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to<br>
>>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an<br>
>>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear<br>
>>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated<br>
>>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else<br>
>>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware?<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to<br>
>>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too<br>
>>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want<br>
>>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well.<br>
>>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on<br>
>>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your<br>
>>>>>>>>> time on<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere<br>
>>>>> between April (including) and July (including).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would<br>
>>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main<br>
>>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers<br>
>>>>>>>>> ;)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some<br>
>>>>> work.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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