[Kdenlive-devel] Kdenlive Kickstarter

Mon Jan 9 00:02:50 UTC 2012

Are there any folks at the top of Kdenlive that are based out of the U.S.? 

I'm just thinking for the sake of the account issue with Kickstarter.

As for avoiding showing off features then that's fine. But perhaps we can mention videos that have broken ground, won awards or are simply popular and we made using Kdenlive?

And yes, I'm down for collaberative effort on shooting interviews. 

Also, I may be able to get some interviews with people in the Open Source world, RedHat and Mozilla. Perhaps not directly kidenlive but commenting on the importantce of keeping FOSS projects like Kdenlive, alive.  

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On Sunday, January 8, 2012 at 6:56 PM, wille wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I think it is a great idea raise funds on Kickstarter and I'll do my best to spread the campaign in Brazil.
> 
> Best regards,
> wille
>  
> 
> 2012/1/8 Till Theato <root at ttill.de (mailto:root at ttill.de)>
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> > On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
> > > Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months.
> > >
> > > I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of
> > > kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers
> > > and users etc.
> > 
> > Yep, sounds great.
> > Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive?
> > 
> > When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are
> > active on kdenlive.org (http://kdenlive.org) for a long time, or who published
> > articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive?
> > 
> > >
> > > We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best
> > > features.
> > 
> > Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not
> > sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business,
> > editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all
> > :). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead?
> > But maybe I'm just to negative again ;)
> > 
> > >
> > > Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here
> > > interested in being interviewed, thatd be great.
> > 
> > At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have
> > cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner.
> > 
> > With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises:
> > Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account...
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <root at ttill.de (mailto:root at ttill.de)> wrote:
> > >
> > > @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your
> > > idea developed into?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote:
> > >>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote:
> > >>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011
> > >>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
> > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run
> > >>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of
> > >>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not
> > >>>>>>>> match the user expectations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to
> > >>>>>> work on its features:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full
> > >>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features
> > >>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined
> > >>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive.
> > >>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and
> > >>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this
> > >>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big
> > >>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive
> > >>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of
> > >>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in
> > >>>>> Randa.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features
> > >>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done?
> > >>>>>> Is stability increased as well?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much
> > >>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new
> > >>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others
> > >>>> have.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow
> > >>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that
> > >>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important
> > >>>>>> to mention)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think
> > >>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look
> > >>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code
> > >>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find
> > >>>>>> volunteers) before you start working?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on
> > >>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> Simon
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you
> > >>>>> sell refactoring?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster
> > >>>>>>>> <simon.eu at gmail.com (mailto:simon.eu at gmail.com)>  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote:
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> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script
> > >>>>>>>>>>> then?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but
> > >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to
> > >>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an
> > >>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear
> > >>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated
> > >>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else
> > >>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on
> > >>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did
> > >>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is
> > >>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We
> > >>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't
> > >>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to
> > >>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too
> > >>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want
> > >>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well.
> > >>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on
> > >>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your
> > >>>>>>>>> time on
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere
> > >>>>> between April (including) and July (including).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would
> > >>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main
> > >>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers
> > >>>>>>>>> ;)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some
> > >>>>> work.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
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