[Kde-pim] RS IM in Kopete -> Interacting with KMail -> Offer both to OOo and/or Koffice

[Jos Poortvliet]

On 8/21/07, Michael Schmidt <schmidtm524 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> hello All, Olivier, Will, Jos,
>
> thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your openness here and maybe
> this is a good basics.
> And I am impressed how far developed all is. Im and Mail intrgration,
> modern QT gui, Koffice suite and packs... all very good !!


You haven't been paying attention to linux? KDE isn't the most popular Linux
Desktop Environment... We're pretty much ahead of the pack. You can get a
KDE 3.5 desktop right now, which is on par with our competition (both free
and proprietary) but is 2 years old. So you can imagine how our new version,
4.0, which incorporates more than 2 years of work from this quickly growing
project, is gonna rock :D

My request is: How do we get RS Im into Kopete.
> and, is Kopete already ported to Win?
> And if Telepathy and Akonadi comes, does this mean to implement RS
> mort into these libraries instead of into Kopete??


Hmmm. RS is a filesharing system with chat support, right?

I don't know the technical details, but I think it should be implemented
party as Telepathy plugin, and some Akonadi stuff I guess. Then all apps
using Akonadi and Telepathy automagically support RS file sharing and chat.

What does further integration of KMail and Kopete mean? Both merging
> at the underlaying Libaries of Telepathy, Akonadi and Decibel???


The integration I mean is the development and integration of Akonadi,
Telepathy and Decibel. Those technologies are pretty new. Let me give an
example. Currently, KMail can show the presence (online or offline or
whatever) of your contacts. So if you read a mail, you see behind the
sender's name an icon indicating his/hers presence. You could accomplish
this two ways. One is to check in Kopete. The other way is to both (Kopete,
KMail and possibly other apps) to use a library or common tool. Currently,
it works using KAdressbook, but you can't see how many new mails you have in
KAdressbook nor in Kopete - that info is just not shared. Now with KDE 4,
much more of the infrastructure is put in some common libraries like Akonadi
and Decibel. So apps will have an easier time sharing stuff. Now I don't
know where the RS technology would fit in, I guess parts belong in Akonadi,
others in Decibel. But integrating it in these systems will ensure you can
just right-click a file in dolphin, and send it to a contact online with RS!

> Kopete would support an integration of RS into Kopete,
>
> Let us start with this small step first?
> there is no manpower, but Rs is a library, and QT, maybe so a stick to
> it is just a question of minutes? Havbe you tested RS ?


Nope, I just figured out what it was ;-)
But as it is  a library, I guess integrating it with Decibel and Akonadi
wouldn't be that hard.

> OO.o has written it's own toolkit, like we use Qt.
>
> Thanks for this info, dunno that this is given, ok then OOo could be a
> second step (after RS integratin in Kopete or Decibel?), to offer this
> to Ooo with QT, or they make their own gui then with their own work,
> or maybe Koffice will be much more popular than OOo - but then Rs
> should be integarted... ;-)) in Koffice...


Yes, I'd go for integration in KDE first. KOffice is part of KDE, so it
would quickly benefit (as far as it's relevant of course) and the same goes
for all other KDE apps. OO.o integrating foreign toolkits seems pretty
unlikely to me, They most likely would have to re-implement a lot.

> This would mean OO.o would need to ship the Qt and KDE libraries. No
> biggy,
> except that they won't do that.
>
>
> As said, we can ask them, if there is an Email Client, which can doi
> IM on RS. (an other protocols are as wlel welcome). We could ask Ooo,
> if this integrated Client (in gui or in prcesses) - with Rs - i
> working ideally on linux and win.. guess KMail and Kopete is not
> available for windows?


KDE is working hard on our 4.0 release, and when it is released, porting KDE
apps to windows will be much easier so not yet, but soon.

> Working with Telepathy and Akonadi and Decibelk
>
> Sorry, for that, I am not a linux user and this is all new to me, just
> want to discuss the ideas with you, and if there is a project start or
> interest, we can ask OOo to support this. If not Ooo, then KOffice.
>
> So I suggest to bring RS into Kopete first?


I suggest to bring RS support to the basic KDE libraries, which will ensure
the KDE apps will support it. You could read up on those technologies on
their websites:
decibel.kde.org
http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/

Regards Mike.
>
>
> PS: RS protocol was interesting for them more, because they wanted the
> secure file exchange between coworkers in a collborating team. RS
> IM-prptocol is a new standard of Messaging serverless and with PGP
> keys (email 2,0) see the Forum for further info and the RFC of RS.
>


I DO think it's pretty interesting, collaboration is important for the
future of the desktop.

Mind you I'm not a developer (actually a promo guy for KDE) so for the
technical details, others need to respond.

And I should also say I could have made mistakes in the technical department
;-)

Have fun!
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