This is not working [for me]

[Jeremy Whiting]

Albert,

I've given this problem a bit of thought since you pasted your
frustration to me the day 15.08 beta release started (and since the
original e-mail here). I think fundamentally the problem is that
there's nobody responsible for each module anymore. We have a list of
"Module Coordinators" here:
https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Release_Team that is mostly obsolete
and we don't really have a mechanism in place for replacing people
there who have left. I'm not suggesting we adopt a top-down heirarchy
for KDE Applications, but it would be good to have someone specific
for each module to poke when things aren't ready at release time (or
any other time tbh). A few names on that list are quite good and
current, while others have left quite a while ago. For example I don't
think Gunnar is the one to poke if something in kdeaccessibility is
broken for some reason. I've e-mailed him a bit about KMail and after
sending 3 mails over 6 months I got one reply back. We need people on
that list that are around, available and can fix things in their
respective areas or can poke someone they know who can. When kdepim
didn't build or wasn't ready (not all git repos were even in the right
place in projects, etc.) did you try poking Allen? Would he know who
to poke if he was asked (I really don't know, not anything against
Allen, but the pim effort lately seems to have been all Laurent and
Daniel)? If we have people who are present and aware of their module's
current contents for each module we then have a release "Team" rather
than a release-Albert :) Anyway I suggest the following:

1) Define what module coordinators responsibility is and what is
expected of them.
2) Ask the people on the module coordinator list if they want to be
coordinators still (and explain what is expected of module
coordinators).
3) Create a mechanism for replacing module coordinators that leave or
fail to perform their responsibilities.

The last one I'm not so sure about how to handle. I can think of
having a volunteering situation, and if nobody volunteers we could
consider retiring the module altogether or putting it on life
support/LTS. (maybe kdemultimedia is headed there? dunno). Once we
have a definition of what's required and such it shouldn't be hard to
define rules for when someone should be phased out. Something like if
the coordinator is unreachable for X days or weeks on urgent issues
they get retired from the spot and replaced by someone that can handle
the responsibilities?

BR,
Jeremy


On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> El Diumenge, 1 de març de 2015, a les 23:00:40, Albert Astals Cid va
> escriure:
>
>> I don't know how to fix it, I am not even sure what's wrong, but this was
>
>> supposed to be a release team, and to me it seems that it's me being the
>> bad
>
>> guy and everyone else just pushing in for their own agenda.
>
>>
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>> Of course this may be my own perception of the thing, but it's affecting
>> my
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>> mood and willigness to work on stuff so I decided it made sense to bring
>> it
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>> up.
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>>
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>> Some days this week i really wanted to step down for 15.04 but at the end
>> i
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>> convinced myself it's too close and I don't want to leave anyone with no
>
>> floor to stand on.
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>>
>
>> But we need to make this work better for my sanity for 15.08 otherwise I'm
>
>> out.
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>
>
> Sadly this did not work out for KDE Applications 15.08 and we had the
> same/similar issues like the ones we had with KDE Applications 15.04 and my
> mood/motivation/happyness went to hell again.
>
>
>
> This can't continue much.
>
>
>
> Release Team members of each module, please make sure you keep your module
> apps and developers informed about freezes and try to make my life easier.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Albert
>
>
>
>>
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>> Does anyone have any magic solution?
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>>
>
>> Cheers,
>
>> Albert
>
>>
>
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