This is not working [for me]

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dijous, 30 de juliol de 2015, a les 12:54:01, Jeremy Whiting va escriure:
> Albert,
> 
> I've given this problem a bit of thought since you pasted your
> frustration to me the day 15.08 beta release started (and since the
> original e-mail here). I think fundamentally the problem is that
> there's nobody responsible for each module anymore. We have a list of
> "Module Coordinators" here:
> https://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Release_Team that is mostly obsolete
> and we don't really have a mechanism in place for replacing people
> there who have left. I'm not suggesting we adopt a top-down heirarchy
> for KDE Applications, but it would be good to have someone specific
> for each module to poke when things aren't ready at release time (or
> any other time tbh). A few names on that list are quite good and
> current, while others have left quite a while ago. For example I don't
> think Gunnar is the one to poke if something in kdeaccessibility is
> broken for some reason. I've e-mailed him a bit about KMail and after
> sending 3 mails over 6 months I got one reply back. We need people on
> that list that are around, available and can fix things in their
> respective areas or can poke someone they know who can. When kdepim
> didn't build or wasn't ready (not all git repos were even in the right
> place in projects, etc.) did you try poking Allen? Would he know who
> to poke if he was asked (I really don't know, not anything against
> Allen, but the pim effort lately seems to have been all Laurent and
> Daniel)? If we have people who are present and aware of their module's
> current contents for each module we then have a release "Team" rather
> than a release-Albert :) Anyway I suggest the following:
> 
> 1) Define what module coordinators responsibility is and what is
> expected of them.

I'd say this is on the webpage more or less, no? Anything you think may need 
adding/removing?

> 2) Ask the people on the module coordinator list if they want to be
> coordinators still (and explain what is expected of module
> coordinators).

I just did that today.

> 3) Create a mechanism for replacing module coordinators that leave or
> fail to perform their responsibilities.
> 
> The last one I'm not so sure about how to handle. I can think of
> having a volunteering situation, and if nobody volunteers we could
> consider retiring the module altogether or putting it on life
> support/LTS. (maybe kdemultimedia is headed there? dunno). Once we
> have a definition of what's required and such it shouldn't be hard to
> define rules for when someone should be phased out. Something like if
> the coordinator is unreachable for X days or weeks on urgent issues
> they get retired from the spot and replaced by someone that can handle
> the responsibilities?

For the email i sent today I said that if I don't get and answer in two months 
I'll assume it's a no.

Thanks for giving it a thought, it seems we reached at least a similar 
conclusion is that the list needed updating :)

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> BR,
> Jeremy
> 
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:
> > El Diumenge, 1 de març de 2015, a les 23:00:40, Albert Astals Cid va
> > 
> > escriure:
> >> I don't know how to fix it, I am not even sure what's wrong, but this was
> >> 
> >> supposed to be a release team, and to me it seems that it's me being the
> >> bad
> >> 
> >> guy and everyone else just pushing in for their own agenda.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Of course this may be my own perception of the thing, but it's affecting
> >> my
> >> 
> >> mood and willigness to work on stuff so I decided it made sense to bring
> >> it
> >> 
> >> up.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Some days this week i really wanted to step down for 15.04 but at the end
> >> i
> >> 
> >> convinced myself it's too close and I don't want to leave anyone with no
> >> 
> >> floor to stand on.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But we need to make this work better for my sanity for 15.08 otherwise
> >> I'm
> >> 
> >> out.
> > 
> > Sadly this did not work out for KDE Applications 15.08 and we had the
> > same/similar issues like the ones we had with KDE Applications 15.04 and
> > my
> > mood/motivation/happyness went to hell again.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This can't continue much.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Release Team members of each module, please make sure you keep your module
> > apps and developers informed about freezes and try to make my life easier.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Albert
> > 
> >> Does anyone have any magic solution?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> Albert
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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