KDE SC 4.11 Release Schedule (bis)

Thu Mar 7 12:51:48 UTC 2013

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org> wrote:

> El Dijous, 7 de març de 2013, a les 01:48:30, David Edmundson va escriure:
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > El Dimecres, 6 de març de 2013, a les 14:52:07, Vishesh Handa va
> escriure:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > A few months ago we were discussing changes regarding 4.11
> > > > >
> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2013-January/006708.html
> > > > >
> > > > > The changes I suggested where
> > > > > ***************
> > > > > 1) Drop Betas to 1
> > > > >
> > > > >         It doesn't seem "to me" that having extra betas gives us
> much
> > >
> > > more
> > >
> > > > > quality,
> > > > > so my suggestion is to drop Beta 2 and move Beta 1 to happen in
> Beta 2
> > > > > time
> > > > > (moving also Hard Freeze) which gives us 2 more weeks for feature
> > > > > development
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Drop RCs to 1
> > > > >
> > > > >         Same thing, it did not feel to me as that it gave us much,
> > > > >         drop
> > > > >
> > > > > RC2 and RC1
> > > > > one week into the future
> > > >
> > > > I cannot say much about the beta releases, but having the 3 release
> > > > candidates for 4.10 helped a LOT. Do we have any statistics to back
> up
> > >
> > > this
> > >
> > > > claim that it did not help?
> > >
> > > Do you have statistics to claim it did? Martin reached the conclusion
> that
> > > "4.10 cycle significantly less bugs have been created than in the other
> > > cycles"
> > > http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2013-January/006761.html
> >
> > That's not enough to suggest a correlation.
>
> I know. The same applies the other way around.
>
> > We do have knowledge that some
> > really big bugs were found in the various releases and that they were
> fixed
> > before 4.10.0. RC3 was added because important things were found in the
> > earlier RCs, so we know it does help quality.
>
> Not really, RC3 was added because people commited features very late in the
> game.
>
> > Anyway, I won't argue further because I'm late to the party and it's not
> > very productive.
> >
> > What I would like to do is propose that going down to 1 beta and 1 RC
> isn't
> > a full policy change but a trial run for 4.11 and that it should be
> > re-evaluated afterwards for 4.12 once we do have some statistics and
> > feedback from developers involved.
>
> Personally I'm against. 4 pre-releases to 2 is too big a change to risk.

> I actually like you to say if you want it or not since if you read my email
> I'm unsure about going down to 1 beta and 1 RC.
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > That might be the plan already, but if so it wasn't super clear to me
> >
> > This is especially important if 4.12 is in fact 5.0.
> >
> > > > > 3) Increase RC time between tag and packaging
> > > > >
> > > > >         One day between tagging and release is crazy, let's have
> 5/6
> > >
> > > days
> > >
> > > > > as we
> > > > > have for the other releases
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Don't release if any if the tests are failing in builds.kde.org
> > > > >
> > > > >         If we have tests, they have to work
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Introduce an pre-commit check after Feature freeze
> > > > >
> > > > >         That check would look for "SCHEDULE-CHECK: bugfix" in the
> > >
> > > commit
> > >
> > > > > log and
> > > > > reject the commit otherwise. This would fix the fact that people
> seem
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > > be
> > > > > commiting features and then saying "oh, but i did not read the
> emails
> > >
> > > you
> > >
> > > > > send every month saying we are in a feature freeze so i did not
> know I
> > > > > couldn't do this", this way at least they would be forced to say
> their
> > > > > stuff is a bugfix.
> > > > > ***************
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure I understand this point. Suppose I was committing a
> simple
> > >
> > > fix
> > >
> > > > to something wrong in the code. Would I first have to file a bug for
> it
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > then explicitly close the bug with the commit? Or can I just add
> > > > "SCHEDULE-CHECK: bugix"?
> > >
> > > You could simply use SCHEDULE-CHECK: bugfix
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >   Albert
> > >
> > > > > I have gone through all of the mails of the thread and if i did
> not do
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > > > > mistake in the interpretations of the emails, these are the
> "results"
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Drop Betas to 1
> > > > > 2) Drop RCs to 1
> > > > >
> > > > >   Albert Astals Cid - yes
> > > > >   Christian Mollekopf - yes
> > > > >   Sebastian Kügler - yes with comments
> > > > >   Martin Gräßlin - No
> > > >
> > > > 3) Increase RC time between tag and packaging
> > > >
> > > > >   Albert Astals Cid - yes -> Reword schedule
> > > > >   Sebastian Kügler - Reword schedule
> > > > >   Torgny Nyblom - Reword schedule
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Don't release if any if the tests are failing in builds.kde.org
> > > > >
> > > > >   Albert Astals Cid - yes
> > > > >   Michael Palimaka - yes
> > > > >   Christian Mollekopf - yes
> > > > >   Martin Gräßlin - yes with comments
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Introduce an pre-commit check after Feature freeze
> > > > >
> > > > >   Torgny Nyblom - yes
> > > > >   Christian Mollekopf - yes with comments
> > > > >   Albert Astals Cid - unsure
> > > > >
> > > > > So my reading is that we should do 3 as a reword of the schedule
> and 4
> > >
> > > for
> > >
> > > > > sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a bit unsure about 1, 2 and 5. Anyone has extra opinions to
> share?
> > >
> > > I'd
> > >
> > > > > like to have a finalized schedule for 4.11 next week.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > >   Albert
> > > > >
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