winter at kde.org
Fri Sep 28 00:38:34 CEST 2007
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:50:04 am Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Allen Winter wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:28:06 am Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Tom Albers wrote:
> > > > At Tuesday 25 September 2007 15:17, you wrote:
> > > marking things all over the place as "showstoppers" may seem responsible
> > > from a release perspective,
> > we are the "release team" after all.
> > so it seems reasonable to look at things from a "release perspective".
> indeed; however, it is not the only perspective and i'm trying to help provide
> some other perspectives as well. combined, we may make better decisions.
> > > but .. yeah. kmail and kate as "showstoppers", given
> > > the purpose and scope of 4.0 as a release along with our goals (e.g.
> > > releasing in a reasonable time frame versus allowing ourselves to
> > > endlessly delay things), seem a bit odd to me.
> > You also need to balance having a release that is somewhat useful
> > to somebody. If all we want is a pretty desktop without any useful
> > apps then we have the KDE Development Platform out by 30Oct
> > and we are done.
> are you seriously suggesting that KDE without kmail and kate constitutes a
> desktop "without any useful apps"?
No, of course not.
> there's a balance point somewhere in here.
Sure. Not so easy to figure out.
> and as i said in my first email, i thought we'd already achieved consensus
> that said "running kde3 kdepim apps is fine for 4.0, with the goal of having
> kde4 pim apps ready for prime time in 4.1"? so i'm seeing a slippage here in
> our consensus that seems to be endangering our ability to release in a
> suitable time frame.
I'm only arguing for a tweak to that plan: whereby we decide on a few of our
more famous, critical apps (eg. konq, dolphin, kmail, kate) that we ensure are
functional before we release 4.0.0. And when I say "functional" I don't mean
100% bug-free. But the app can be used on a daily basis without pulling out
all your hair.
> (though i was just using kate this morning to see how good it is and it seems
> to not be seriously broken atm? =)
kate is looking pretty darn good.
kmail is useless right now, but I'm hoping the KDAB army comes to the rescue soon.
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