Next Meeting today 18:00 CEST

[Birkholz Mario]

Dear Colleagues,

that's an interesting point. Because when you talk to the 
"I-have-nothing-to-hide" people, it really feels like Johannes writes.

It seems quite essential to make transparent to users what data has 
already been extracted from them. And in this sense 
https://www.datenanfragen.de/    has done an excellent work already.

Maybe it would be helpful to cooerate with them; at least they have a 
first "product", which will be continuously developed further. By the 
way, I also found the action
https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/google-daten-anfrage-das-weiss-google-ueber-mich-meinen-suchverlauf-arztbesuche-und-viele-private-dinge 

very remarkable, although in this latter approach only the interface 
provided by Google was accessed, while datenanfragen.de goes clearly 
beyond that.

In our circle, we could all initiate queries via datenanfragen.de and 
communicate the results among us. This would make the "uncleanliness" of 
the Internet restaurant much more specific.

Kind regards,

Mario


Am 20.07.2023 um 23:35 schrieb Johannes Ernst:
> Good meeting Björn and Frank on the Dazzle call today.
>
> Pondering the name of this list, and also that you want to give your 
> project a name … it is my experience that privacy does not “sell” so I 
> don’t recommend it as a name for anything.
>
> The best analogy of privacy of tech products I know of is with 
> cleanliness of a restaurant. You really want the restaurant to be 
> clean, just like you want tech products to maintain your privacy. But 
> you will never go to a restaurant because it is clean. You go to a 
> restaurant because it has good food. Cleanliness only matters because 
> you might not go to a restaurant that is not clean, even if the food 
> is good. The absence of the feature — cleanliness or privacy — 
> prevents you from doing something, it does not make you do something.
>
> So what’s the proposition of “good food” in a place that’s also clean 
> for this project?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Johannes
>
> From California
>
>
> Johannes Ernst
>
> Fediforum <https://fediforum.org/>
> Dazzle <https://dazzle.town/>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 13:03, Frank Willeke <polypoly at awedi.de> wrote:
>>
>> A nearly traditional one "Moin" Björn. :-)
>> I think that was another very interesting round on Monday evening. 
>> From my side, I can only say that my picture of the project has 
>> sharpened further and some points are clearer to me now.
>>
>> I find it very interesting and definitely an enrichment for the 
>> project, which personalities have been in the group so far and I'm 
>> very excited to see who else will join them in the near future.
>>
>> Based on your ideas, the feedback from the participants and what has 
>> been discussed in the previous meetings, I would say at this point 
>> that we should continue on this path together.
>>
>> That's why I think it's time to give the project a name. Maybe we can 
>> put that into more concrete terms at one of the next meetings? So to 
>> speak as a real agenda item ;-). Personally, I'm dispassionate and 
>> think "Privact" is a good choice.
>>
>> *@ all:**That's why I'm just asking the whole group: How do you see 
>> it or is your opinion?*
>>
>> At this time of day I would say…
>> Cheerio
>> Frank
>> -- 
>> Frank
>> Mastodon: @faon at social.tchncs.de /https://social.tchncs.de/@faon
>> Am 18.07.23 um 09:18 schrieb Björn Balazs:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We will do another introductory meeting today at 18:00 CEST / Berlin time.
>>>
>>> I did not get an invitation to senfcall yet. Perhaps, Mario, you can provide a
>>> room?
>>>
>>> In any case the room will be communicated shortly before the meeting. Bear
>>> with me if this ends up to be zoom again...
>>>
>>> Looking forward to talk to you,
>>> Björn
>>>
>>
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