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<p>Dear Colleagues,</p>
<p>that's an interesting point. Because when you talk to the
"I-have-nothing-to-hide" people, it really feels like Johannes
writes. <br>
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<p>It seems quite essential to make transparent to users what data
has already been extracted from them. And in this sense
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.datenanfragen.de/">https://www.datenanfragen.de/</a> has done an excellent work
already. <br>
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<p>Maybe it would be helpful to cooerate with them; at least they
have a first "product", which will be continuously developed
further. By the way, I also found the action<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/google-daten-anfrage-das-weiss-google-ueber-mich-meinen-suchverlauf-arztbesuche-und-viele-private-dinge">https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/google-daten-anfrage-das-weiss-google-ueber-mich-meinen-suchverlauf-arztbesuche-und-viele-private-dinge</a>
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very remarkable, although in this latter approach only the
interface provided by Google was accessed, while datenanfragen.de
goes clearly beyond that.<br>
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<p>In our circle, we could all initiate queries via datenanfragen.de
and communicate the results among us. This would make the
"uncleanliness" of the Internet restaurant much more specific.<br>
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Kind regards,</p>
<p>Mario<br>
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Good meeting Björn and Frank on the Dazzle call today.
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<div>Pondering the name of this list, and also that you want to
give your project a name … it is my experience that privacy does
not “sell” so I don’t recommend it as a name for anything.</div>
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<div>The best analogy of privacy of tech products I know of is
with cleanliness of a restaurant. You really want the restaurant
to be clean, just like you want tech products to maintain your
privacy. But you will never go to a restaurant because it is
clean. You go to a restaurant because it has good food.
Cleanliness only matters because you might not go to a
restaurant that is not clean, even if the food is good. The
absence of the feature — cleanliness or privacy — prevents you
from doing something, it does not make you do something.</div>
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<div>So what’s the proposition of “good food” in a place that’s
also clean for this project?</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div> <font face="Carlito">A nearly traditional one
"Moin" Björn. :-)<br>
I think that was another very interesting round on
Monday evening. From my side, I can only say that my
picture of the project has sharpened further and some
points are clearer to me now.<br>
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I find it very interesting and definitely an
enrichment for the project, which personalities have
been in the group so far and I'm very excited to see
who else will join them in the near future.<br>
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Based on your ideas, the feedback from the
participants and what has been discussed in the
previous meetings, I would say at this point that we
should continue on this path together.<br>
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That's why I think it's time to give the project a
name. Maybe we can put that into more concrete terms
at one of the next meetings? So to speak as a real
agenda item ;-). Personally, I'm dispassionate and
think "Privact" is a good choice.<br>
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<b>@ all:</b><b> That's why I'm just asking the whole
group: How do you see it or is your opinion?</b><br>
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At this time of day I would say…<br>
Cheerio<br>
Frank<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.07.23 um 09:18
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi all,
We will do another introductory meeting today at 18:00 CEST / Berlin time.
I did not get an invitation to senfcall yet. Perhaps, Mario, you can provide a
room?
In any case the room will be communicated shortly before the meeting. Bear
with me if this ends up to be zoom again...
Looking forward to talk to you,
Björn</pre>
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