Naming - was: Re: Next Meeting today 18:00 CEST

[Björn Balazs]

Moin!

I like this discussion and the parallel you draw, Johannes. But, to stay in 
your picture, I don't think of us as the restaurant. We are the ones that keep 
lots of restaurants clean, so people will not go away...

I like to learn from the environmental movement. Consumers are willing to buy 
a more expensive carrot, because there is a seal on it, stating it is grown 
ecologically. And, at least in Germany, the name of these seals clearly 
communicates them being eco (e.g. bioland, Ökoland, Naturland, Bio nach EG  
Ökoverordnung...).

So people don't buy carrots, because the carrots have an eco seal attached. 
They are buying carrots, because they want to eat carrots. But which carrot 
they buy and much they are willing to pay for depends on the the attached 
seal.

Same for us. We dont run restaurants. Our "restaurants" in the picture are the 
businesses, initiatives etc working upon our infrastructure. So I don't see 
that a reference to "privat" in the name would be bad in any way.

And yes, we can always use a made up word and start fill it with meaning - or 
we use something people can at least relate to, even though there might be 
other downsides.

But, I am not good at names and all open for better suggestions than my 
working title "privact". (Even though I kinda got used to it by now...).

I am really interested in other opinions!

Cheers,
Björn


Am Freitag, 21. Juli 2023, 11:43:32 CEST schrieb Birkholz Mario:
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> that's an interesting point. Because when you talk to the
> "I-have-nothing-to-hide" people, it really feels like Johannes writes.
> 
> It seems quite essential to make transparent to users what data has
> already been extracted from them. And in this sense
> https://www.datenanfragen.de/    has done an excellent work already.
> 
> Maybe it would be helpful to cooerate with them; at least they have a
> first "product", which will be continuously developed further. By the
> way, I also found the action
> https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/google-daten-anfrage-das-weiss-goo
> gle-ueber-mich-meinen-suchverlauf-arztbesuche-und-viele-private-dinge
> 
> very remarkable, although in this latter approach only the interface
> provided by Google was accessed, while datenanfragen.de goes clearly
> beyond that.
> 
> In our circle, we could all initiate queries via datenanfragen.de and
> communicate the results among us. This would make the "uncleanliness" of
> the Internet restaurant much more specific.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mario
> 
> Am 20.07.2023 um 23:35 schrieb Johannes Ernst:
> > Good meeting Björn and Frank on the Dazzle call today.
> > 
> > Pondering the name of this list, and also that you want to give your
> > project a name … it is my experience that privacy does not “sell” so I
> > don’t recommend it as a name for anything.
> > 
> > The best analogy of privacy of tech products I know of is with
> > cleanliness of a restaurant. You really want the restaurant to be
> > clean, just like you want tech products to maintain your privacy. But
> > you will never go to a restaurant because it is clean. You go to a
> > restaurant because it has good food. Cleanliness only matters because
> > you might not go to a restaurant that is not clean, even if the food
> > is good. The absence of the feature — cleanliness or privacy —
> > prevents you from doing something, it does not make you do something.
> > 
> > So what’s the proposition of “good food” in a place that’s also clean
> > for this project?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Johannes
> > 
> > From California
> > 
> > 
> > Johannes Ernst
> > 
> > Fediforum <https://fediforum.org/>
> > Dazzle <https://dazzle.town/>
> > 
> >> On Jul 20, 2023, at 13:03, Frank Willeke <polypoly at awedi.de> wrote:
> >> 
> >> A nearly traditional one "Moin" Björn. :-)
> >> I think that was another very interesting round on Monday evening.
> >> From my side, I can only say that my picture of the project has
> >> sharpened further and some points are clearer to me now.
> >> 
> >> I find it very interesting and definitely an enrichment for the
> >> project, which personalities have been in the group so far and I'm
> >> very excited to see who else will join them in the near future.
> >> 
> >> Based on your ideas, the feedback from the participants and what has
> >> been discussed in the previous meetings, I would say at this point
> >> that we should continue on this path together.
> >> 
> >> That's why I think it's time to give the project a name. Maybe we can
> >> put that into more concrete terms at one of the next meetings? So to
> >> speak as a real agenda item ;-). Personally, I'm dispassionate and
> >> think "Privact" is a good choice.
> >> 
> >> *@ all:**That's why I'm just asking the whole group: How do you see
> >> it or is your opinion?*
> >> 
> >> At this time of day I would say…
> >> Cheerio
> >> Frank
> >> 
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> 
> >>> We will do another introductory meeting today at 18:00 CEST / Berlin
> >>> time.
> >>> 
> >>> I did not get an invitation to senfcall yet. Perhaps, Mario, you can
> >>> provide a room?
> >>> 
> >>> In any case the room will be communicated shortly before the meeting.
> >>> Bear
> >>> with me if this ends up to be zoom again...
> >>> 
> >>> Looking forward to talk to you,
> >>> Björn

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