Systemtray breakout notes

[Mark Gaiser]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas at kde.org> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 19:38:30 Mark Gaiser wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas at kde.org> wrote:
>> > - the calendar should move into the systray popup
>>
>> Why?
>
> Same reason for moving all the others into the same popup: less visually
> jarring transitions, less different popups.
>
>> The calendar is part of the clock, that will remain the same i suppose?
>> Following that logic, it will never be in the systray at all.
>
> They're supposed to share the same popup. Let's see how this pans out. If it
> doesn't work well, bummer. If it does, it could be a really nice improvement.

err.. Another thread, and another place where i completely lost you.
Sebas, be a bit more _verbose_ in your answers. I don't know the deep
internals of plasma or how it currently looks.

>From what you just said it sounds like the clock popup and
notification popup are one and the same?
That's not the impression i have when looking at your own screenshots:
https://plus.google.com/+SebastianK%C3%BCgler/posts/DQ33L9Ejq5P There
the calendar/clock popup seems to be two completely different things.

So my question still stands:
The calendar is part of the clock, that will remain the same i suppose?
Following that logic, it will never be in the systray at all.

>
>> > The XEmbed systemtray mechanism will not be supported anymore, instead we
>> > will attempt to merge support for statusnotifieritems into Qt (for
>> > QSystemTray). Other desktops are going a similar route.
>>
>> Please don't use excuses as "Other desktops are going a similar
>> route.". They might, but they suck at doing it in my opinion.
>> I'm guessing you aim at windows 8 and perhaps gnome here. Otherwise,
>> please do share more details.
>
> Patches to implement it are welcome. :)
>
> Seriously, have you looked at the protocol? Have you looked at the
> implementations that would be possible? It's easy to say "I want that", but
> that ignores the whole decision space for this. It's impossible to integrate
> it, there's no way that's even remotely sane to implement this on Wayland,
> it's impossible to do this in a way that's visually consistent, and that's
> just the tip of the iceberg.

That's not at all what i tried to say.
Whatever you do in the systemtray, be extremely careful with it. You
will alienate the users extremely fast if it doesn't work out for
them.
I - personally - just don't know. I just have to see it and judge
based on that i guess :)

>
>> > Feedback, as usual, welcome. :)
>>
>> Most of it sounds good, but it's a bit difficult to picture it. Could
>> you make some before and after mockups in conditions where this would
>> be visible to the user?
>
> Lacking imagination, I think you'll have to wait for this work to appear in
> code. I lack both time and skills to do mock-ups of all of this.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> sebas
>
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