minutes Monday Plasma hangout

[Martin Klapetek]

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo at kde.org> wrote:

> On Monday, November 4, 2013 13:19:37 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sebastian Kügler <sebas at kde.org> wrote:
> > > Martin:
> > > - Splash architecture: splash should probably go into SDDM, own
> process is
> > > too
> > > wasteful
> >
> > While I agree that own process can be too wasteful, putting it inside
> SDDM
> > would mean putting it either into all login managers or having a fallback
> > solution for non-SDDM distros like Kubuntu. Both mean added maintenance
> > (and very possibly duplicated code too?).
>
> It can be provided by whatever DM is used. Saying “we’re going to make the
> user experience worse” just because we can’t/won’t integrate with necessary
> systems is not sensible.


That's not what I said nor intended to say. I merely pointed out that this
would cause a SDDM-lock-in for "the true PW2 experience".


> Our users should never suffer because we can’t figure
> out the technology, and having a separate process for the splash screen
> slows
> down startup times,


True, though most of the libs are already preloaded by the login manager,
so it's not completely cold start.


> introduces more screen transitions


Well...the screen would have a transition from the login screen even with
integrated splash, no?


> and means more
> maintenance for us.
>

How is that more maintenance for us if the code lives standalone (compared
to being part of SDDM or whatever)? It would be moreless the same codebase,
just in a different directory.


> The worst case scenario is that users do not get a splash screen.


Which is actually "we're going to make the user experience worse".


> This is
> similar to a growing number of features which don’t work (at all or as
> well)
> without required system components.


I'm not aware of those...can you give some examples?


>
> SDDM and LightDM, btw, use the same D-Bus interface, and that’s not an
> accident, so if there is needed DBus communication I’m sure we can continue
> that trend.
>

Note that I don't have anything against putting it into DM, I'm just
worried about putting it into *one* DM only as a custom extension.

Btw. is SDDM going to be a required thing for PW2?

Cheers
-- 
Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
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