QML Placces design discussion

[Mark]

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Aurélien Gâteau <agateau at kde.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:08 +0100, Mark wrote:
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>>>> I'm just going to assume you're making a joke here.
>>>>
>>>> In case you're not: bad idea!
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have arguments to back this bold claim?
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>>
>> Sure. I've opened this topic to improve the pager for default usage:
>> - Show it even when you have just one VD to fix my usecase. Which is
>> very valid.
>>
>> That's the intention and that hasn't changed. Apparently most of you
>> seem to disagree here. Apparently i'm the only one that dislikes
>> having an empty space shown by default..
>
>
> What your anger hides from you is that we actually mostly agree with
> you.

It's not anger. More a bit of frustration that a default like this can
even be accepted and that i'm getting no impression at all that you
guys care. I mean, the patch is very easy. I showed it and i can
commit it if you allow me. So any "difficulty" is non existent.
>
> I don't like the idea of having an empty spot by default, that is why I
> support the idea of:
>
> - Removing the applet from the default setup
> - Changing the applet so that it always show something even if there is
>   only one virtual desktop

Well, as i said before. I am in favor of removing it altogether.
However, if it stays installable (which it will) then it should show
the pager even with one VD. Before your post i wasn't getting any
impression that you guys would be willing to accept that. Now you say
you will which is good :)
>
> This means in your situation you would have to add the pager applet
> to your panel and it would show one single virtual desktop so you can
> drag back your windows from your beamer screen.

That's no issue.
>
> Marco raised the valid point of users being potentially confused if they
> increase the number of virtual desktops from Systemsettings and don't
> get any way to switch between desktops because the pager applet is not
> there. To address this, two suggestions were made:
>
> 1. Change the Systemsettings KCM so that if the user increase the number
> of desktops and he has no pager applet, then the KCM notifies him about
> it and possibly offers to add the pager applet to the panel.
>
> 2. Remove the KCM from Systemsettings: since the KCM is still reachable
> from the applet configuration dialog, a user who wants virtual desktops
> would first add the pager then configure his desktops from there.
> The problem with this suggestion is that there are users like Martin who
> use virtual desktops without any pager applet.