[kde-promo] Back to basics

Sun Sep 2 05:29:50 UTC 2012

Hi,

"Back to Basics"......

I like the idea of putting effort in those things that we use everyday and we 
have lots a little focus about.

To me, the "traditional desktop" is the nexus of this community in many ways.

But I think that the message must be a global one. We have no power to give 
several messages at the same time. Nuno propose two different things:
a.- A message
b.- Action based on that message

I wonder if we all can agree on B finding a message we all agree on.

Back to Basics as a global message is hard to associate with innovation. It is 
not impossible, but difficult. It needs some energy into what Basics means.

We should be clear about what we mean with Basics. For example:
* For KDE Basics means freedom. Plasma Active is about that, bringing Freedom 
to a set of devices.
* For artwork guys means ..... taking care about users.
* For the people close to Qt could mean..... get closer to Qt

(the above are random ideas...)

I mean that the message must be globally consistance. So before saying yes to 
Nuno's idea, which I like, I would like to see different teams agreeing with it 
and pushing in the same direction. If we accomplish this agreement.....this is 
by far, our biggest hit Going back to Basics....  

On Friday 17 August 2012 18:10:25 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> A Sexta, 17 de Agosto de 2012 13:38:01 Tomaz Canabrava escreveu:
> > 2012/8/17 Carl Symons <carlsymons at gmail.com>:
> > > Page link on community.kde.org has been changed. Details below.
> > > 
> > > Carl>
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Felix Michel <felix_michel at gmx.ch> 
wrote:
> > >> On Friday 17 August 2012 16.15:26 Anne Wilson wrote:
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> > >>> On 17/08/12 15:17, Felix Michel wrote:
> > >>> > On Friday 17 August 2012 16.00:46 Marco Martin wrote:
> > >>> >> On Friday 17 August 2012, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > >>> >>> On Thursday 16 August 2012 21:47:12 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> > >>> >>>> So what do we think good idea?
> > >>> >>> 
> > >>> >>> I like the idea and it's an interesting answer to Windows 8
> > >>> >>> 
> > >>> >>> :-)
> > >>> >>> 
> > >>> >>> What I would like to see is collecting a list of tasks to be
> > >>> >>> done and try to attract new blood for it - there just have to
> > >>> >>> be many users who would love to see a traditional desktop.
> > >>> >> 
> > >>> >> as long as the word "traditional" or "tradition" is never,
> > >>> >> never, ever mentioned :p
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > what about an integration of all the new technologies KDE has and
> > >>> > polish them to a nice setup giving a good first impression. I
> > >>> > would like to create a wiki page or whatsoever and so that
> > >>> > everybody can work on this. Is there a good way to create a list of
> > >>> > tasks interactively? Does anybody has a suggestion? Also i would
> > >>> > separate the improvements in different areas:
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > - Polishing *Desktop, including Panel, Plasmoids, Systray and
> > >>> > Notifications *Standard KDE applications like Kwrite, Konsole,
> > >>> > Okular, Gwenview and so on *Dialogs
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > - Improvements *New default setting using Icontasks? *New default
> > >>> > setting integrating KRunner into the panel?
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > The improvements part is just an idea. But it think it would be
> > >>> > great and powerful to integrate Krunner into the panel so that the
> > >>> > user has the possibility to search and launch applications in a
> > >>> > fast way. KDE now has everything to build an unique experience
> > >>> > which is not traditional but desktop convenient.
> > >>> > 
> > >>> > What do you think? Any comments?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Yup - a simple page on community.kde.org, and make sure that its url
> > >>> is
> > >>> well known among interested parties.  Use that to gather tasks,
> > >>> comments, and hopefully commitments :-)
> > >> 
> > >> i created a page on the community page and named it Shapping it up.
> > >> 
> > >> You can access under: http://community.kde.org/Shapping_it_up
> > > 
> > > The page title has been corrected to:
> > > http://community.kde.org/Shaping_it_up
> > 
> > And nuno just asked to change to Back to Basics. :)
> 
> Yeah the main scope of my proposal is positioning ourselfs as the guys that
> still care about the mouse/keyboard driven desktop...
> 
> its more than polishing our many problems, its improving the mouse keyboard
> driven desktop acknowledging it is different and it needs different UI/UX
> paradigms than the touch world, but without looking like the old decrepit
> guys that think that doing nothing is the best thing....
> 
> so "back to basics" seams the best metaphor, improving the well by making it
> more round. not reinventing it because sometimes the well really works
> great.
> > >> Any comments? If you want to change something feel free to do so.
> > >> 
> > >>> After that, once the general trend of interest is decided we could use
> > >>> a userbase page or a forum thread if we want to know what really bugs
> > >>> users (making it clear that we are not talking application-wise).  But
> > >>> we need our intentions clear before that is done.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Anne
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