[kde-promo] Back to basics

Nuno Pinheiro nuno at oxygen-icons.org
Sun Sep 2 15:44:09 UTC 2012 

A Domingo, 2 de Setembro de 2012 07:29:50 você escreveu:

how come I like "Back to Basics"?

well because its nothing, in reality it can be what ever we say it is...
I tend to like this sort of messages, to the user it can be what eve, usualy 
if we set the right mood it can be exactly what the user wants it to be.

(i kinda like this passion like motes were one fall in love with an idea 
without knowing the idea, because he loves it and the idea is everything he 
ever wanted) I bet most of us were in that position to be in love with some 
one without really knowing that some one and for that  moment that some one 
was absolutely perfect.

In a way here I'm trying to go for that moment in time were we all fell in-
love with freedestops...

Having said that I fully agree with your conclusions one how each groups 
should interpret the "Going back to Basics" because as I said early in the 
beginning of this, the most important aspect of this is the marketing side how 
we state the "coordinated" effort. 

So as you said in the examples "taking care about users" can be for me going 
"back to basics" and i should say so.
same for other projects.




> Hi,
> 
> "Back to Basics"......
> 
> 
> I like the idea of putting effort in those things that we use everyday and
> we have lots a little focus about.
> 
> To me, the "traditional desktop" is the nexus of this community in many
> ways.
> 
> But I think that the message must be a global one. We have no power to give
> several messages at the same time. Nuno propose two different things:
> a.- A message
> b.- Action based on that message
> 
> I wonder if we all can agree on B finding a message we all agree on.
> 
> Back to Basics as a global message is hard to associate with innovation. It
> is not impossible, but difficult. It needs some energy into what Basics
> means.
> 
> We should be clear about what we mean with Basics. For example:
> * For KDE Basics means freedom. Plasma Active is about that, bringing
> Freedom to a set of devices.
> * For artwork guys means ..... taking care about users.
> * For the people close to Qt could mean..... get closer to Qt
> 
> 
> (the above are random ideas...)
> 
> I mean that the message must be globally consistance. So before saying yes
> to Nuno's idea, which I like, I would like to see different teams agreeing
> with it and pushing in the same direction. If we accomplish this
> agreement.....this is by far, our biggest hit Going back to Basics....
> 
> On Friday 17 August 2012 18:10:25 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> > A Sexta, 17 de Agosto de 2012 13:38:01 Tomaz Canabrava escreveu:
> > > 2012/8/17 Carl Symons <carlsymons at gmail.com>:
> > > > Page link on community.kde.org has been changed. Details below.
> > > > 
> > > > Carl>
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Felix Michel <felix_michel at gmx.ch>
> 
> wrote:
> > > >> On Friday 17 August 2012 16.15:26 Anne Wilson wrote:
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> > > >>> On 17/08/12 15:17, Felix Michel wrote:
> > > >>> > On Friday 17 August 2012 16.00:46 Marco Martin wrote:
> > > >>> >> On Friday 17 August 2012, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > > >>> >>> On Thursday 16 August 2012 21:47:12 Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> > > >>> >>>> So what do we think good idea?
> > > >>> >>> 
> > > >>> >>> I like the idea and it's an interesting answer to Windows 8
> > > >>> >>> 
> > > >>> >>> :-)
> > > >>> >>> 
> > > >>> >>> What I would like to see is collecting a list of tasks to be
> > > >>> >>> done and try to attract new blood for it - there just have to
> > > >>> >>> be many users who would love to see a traditional desktop.
> > > >>> >> 
> > > >>> >> as long as the word "traditional" or "tradition" is never,
> > > >>> >> never, ever mentioned :p
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > what about an integration of all the new technologies KDE has and
> > > >>> > polish them to a nice setup giving a good first impression. I
> > > >>> > would like to create a wiki page or whatsoever and so that
> > > >>> > everybody can work on this. Is there a good way to create a list
> > > >>> > of
> > > >>> > tasks interactively? Does anybody has a suggestion? Also i would
> > > >>> > separate the improvements in different areas:
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > - Polishing *Desktop, including Panel, Plasmoids, Systray and
> > > >>> > Notifications *Standard KDE applications like Kwrite, Konsole,
> > > >>> > Okular, Gwenview and so on *Dialogs
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > - Improvements *New default setting using Icontasks? *New default
> > > >>> > setting integrating KRunner into the panel?
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > The improvements part is just an idea. But it think it would be
> > > >>> > great and powerful to integrate Krunner into the panel so that the
> > > >>> > user has the possibility to search and launch applications in a
> > > >>> > fast way. KDE now has everything to build an unique experience
> > > >>> > which is not traditional but desktop convenient.
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > What do you think? Any comments?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Yup - a simple page on community.kde.org, and make sure that its url
> > > >>> is
> > > >>> well known among interested parties.  Use that to gather tasks,
> > > >>> comments, and hopefully commitments :-)
> > > >> 
> > > >> i created a page on the community page and named it Shapping it up.
> > > >> 
> > > >> You can access under: http://community.kde.org/Shapping_it_up
> > > > 
> > > > The page title has been corrected to:
> > > > http://community.kde.org/Shaping_it_up
> > > 
> > > And nuno just asked to change to Back to Basics. :)
> > 
> > Yeah the main scope of my proposal is positioning ourselfs as the guys
> > that
> > still care about the mouse/keyboard driven desktop...
> > 
> > its more than polishing our many problems, its improving the mouse
> > keyboard
> > driven desktop acknowledging it is different and it needs different UI/UX
> > paradigms than the touch world, but without looking like the old decrepit
> > guys that think that doing nothing is the best thing....
> > 
> > so "back to basics" seams the best metaphor, improving the well by making
> > it more round. not reinventing it because sometimes the well really works
> > great.
> > 
> > > >> Any comments? If you want to change something feel free to do so.
> > > >> 
> > > >>> After that, once the general trend of interest is decided we could
> > > >>> use
> > > >>> a userbase page or a forum thread if we want to know what really
> > > >>> bugs
> > > >>> users (making it clear that we are not talking application-wise). 
> > > >>> But
> > > >>> we need our intentions clear before that is done.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Anne
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