Review Request: disable toolbox for now

[Will Stephenson]

On Thursday 06 March 2008, Dirk Mueller said:
> On Tuesday 04 March 2008, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > .. and in the meantime i don't get useful feedback and when it appears
> > again it's unsatisfactory.
>
> you get feedback from those who want to use bleeding stuff (the 4.1
> unstable releases, which are snapshoted every week and are not even in
> alpha state yet). this is the perfect playground for new stuff. You get the
> right audience, the users expect to find new stuff and play with it.
>
> > the thing has improved dramatically since first
> > appearing in just about every way, and that's specifically because it's
> > been available.
>
> Thats good to know, but on the other side there would be a lot less
> pressure on improving it in just about every way when it wouldn't be the
> first thing new users stumble over.
>
> > > I'd say there are very few KDE 4.0 users right now, so it would not yet
> > > harm or confuse a lot of people.
> >
> > if we aren't concerned because there are few users, then it's a moot
> > point in total.
>
> No. There are many distros coming out within a month or two and they will
> have this broken plasma thingie for a half a year or at least a year (until
> a new version of the distro comes out). If you don't care that the first
> major shipment of KDE4 by almost all still-KDE-shipping distros out there
> will have a "Break my desktop" button on there by default, popping into the
> eye of the new user as one of the first things to notice then I really
> don't know what else to say.

Please, is this the most productive way to solve this problem?  I agree that 
this issue is a is a technical problem here, but you know already that the 
working climate of the plasma project has not exactly been comfortable for a 
while, so why pour more petrol on the fire?  We all have limited physical and 
emotional resources, ranting on a problem is a greedy algorithm for consuming 
them.

> (Another sad story: the black on black color in the ALT-F2 dialog. It is
> been there that way for 4.0.2, it is there for 4.1 trunk, there have been
> multiple bugreports about all closed as will-be-fixed later with no usable
> workaround for any user available so far).

That's not true. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154909 , open since 
20071231, 2 dupes.  

> if you don't realize that while upstream experimentation and development
> and feedback from upstream users is fine, you fuck off every other plain
> normal KDE user, then there is really nothing more to say for me.

I've been trying the last few days to sort out the atmosphere in here so that 
more than one person can contribute effectively to one of our major tasks.  
It's clear to me that there are various layers of hurt feelings, a tendency 
to ascribe differences of opinion to malice, righteous indignation, and a 
lack of faith in the ability of discussion to solve a problem leading to 
broadside attacks like this or sneaky commits.  But trying to play out these 
tensions while at the same time solving technical problems is never going to 
work, it's throwing spanners into the machine.

Why not try and resolve the emotional problems first by sitting down together 
on IRC out-of-band, agree to listen to each other, to stay calm, and not to 
leave until it's worked out?  Then come back to plasma-devel and let's 
establish a plan to get the 4.0 Plasma UI safe for joe users before all the 
major distributions bet their KDE userbases on it.

Will