[Owncloud] Update to sabredav 1.6

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On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Klaas Freitag wrote:

> On 06.03.2012 20:31, Georg Ehrke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> I would guess Frank is a bit overworked due to the cebit :(
> Hmmm ;-)
> 
>> This is a really difficult question about fixing bugs or keeping up
>> compatibility.
> Yes, and its a question of what and how many versions we can and want to maintain.
> 
> One option would be to ask upstream at SabreDAV why they went to 5.3 and in which areas of SabreDAV 5.3 features are used. Maybe it is possible to do a SabreDAV 1.6 backport to 5.2 for our usecases. But honestly I don't think thats a good idea, as I think that the SabreDAV guys also thought about that and have good reasons to go for 5.3. And we don't want to maintain a SabreDAV branch ourselfes, never ever.

Frankly I didn't want to bother maintaining PHP 5.2. Doing so takes more time, and even PHP 5.2 itself isn't maintained anymore.
SabreDAV is a full-time project for me, and from all the things I wanted to do, keeping in check with old dependencies was not one of them.

It's also a statement. If you are on a host that refuses to upgrade to PHP 5.3, it may be time to look for something else :) Perhaps something like a VPS where you do have full control.

Some of the stuff I'm using from PHP 5.3 are closures, and a bunch of the new DateTime features. In the future, I will also move to using namespaces.
There's more to it than just not using PHP 5.3 features, I also want to guarantee a certain quality level. This is a lot harder to do with outdated software.

> 
> So my opinion is: We have to carefully limit the number of ownClouds we have to maintain. As a result we should go the hard way and also require 5.3 for ownCloud 4. 5.2 users have to stay with ownCloud 3.
> If  we  feel that is too hard for the users, we would have to ship oC4 with the old SabreDAV version and still go with 5.2. In that case we should announce *now* that oC5 will require 5.3. For that it would be interesting to know which of our known bugs the 1.6 update really fixes.



> 
> I think the most critical thing here is communication and clear statements to allow users to plan:
> - When will we release which oC version?
> - Which version of PHP will we require when?
> - How long do we support which oC version?
> - What does this support mean from the upstream community.
> 
> regards,
> Klaas
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 04.03.2012 20:15, schrieb Jakob Sack:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> when I integrated SabreDAV in ownCloud I accidentally dropped PHP <5.2
>>> support. Of course PHP 5.3 is two and a half years old but that does
>>> not necessarily mean that every webspace provides PHP 5.3.
>>> Frank, do you you think? Of course I'd favour depending on PHP 5.3 but
>>> on the other hand I remember well that ownCloud should run everywhere.
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Jakob
>>> 
>>> Am 04.03.2012 19:52, schrieb Stephan Schulz:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> in my opinion, fixing (those) bugs should be priority no one. I guess
>>>> most people can control their PHP installation or at least ask for an
>>>> update. If not they still have the option to stay with owncloud 3 for
>>>> some more time.
>>>> 
>>>> Stephan
>>>> 
>>>> -------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> On 3 March 2012 21:41, Christophe <christophe at wk3.org [3]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would strongly prefer SabreDAV 1.6 over PHP 5.2 support, though
>>>>>> you can't argue with security support. RHEL 5 still supports PHP
>>>>>> 5.1.6(!) and Ubuntu 8.04 comes with PHP 5.2.4. (:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't forget that most ISPs have lots of clients with legacy code,
>>>>> and cannot update to php 5.3 yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will take some time before we can be php 5.2 free.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Owncloud should adopt moodle view, and have php 5.2 and php 5.3
>>>>> versions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My 0.2 cents
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mauro Vale
>>>>> 
> 
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