[KPhotoAlbum] Cataloging workflow

Joe josephj at main.nc.us
Thu May 2 00:38:25 BST 2019

Inline, way down.

On 5/1/19 10:25 AM, Angel Lopez wrote:
> El mar., 30 abr. 2019 a las 23:44, Johannes Zarl-Zierl
> (<johannes at zarl-zierl.at <mailto:johannes at zarl-zierl.at>>) escribió:
>     Hi Angel,
> Hi Johannes,
>     Am Dienstag, 30. April 2019, 16:30:08 CEST schrieb Angel Lopez:
>     > Copy photographs to computer, in direfferent folders:
>     >
>     > /Photographs/
>     > /Photographs/2018/
>     >   /Photographs/2018/2018-01-01_New Year
>     >   /Photographs/2018/2018-02-14_Ana Bithday
>     >  ...
>     > /Photographs/2019 /
>     >   /Photographs/2019/2019-03-19_Trip to Rusia
>     >  ...
>     >
>     > And kphotoalbum database is inside /Photographs.
>     So far, so good. I guess this is quite a common way of organizing
>     files on
>     disk. My own setup is not very different.
>     > The first 4 years of use, I tagged pictures with People, Places,
>     Events...
>     > But nowadays What I were doing was to use the Tokens for select
>     pictures to
>     > keep which ones to delete, which ones to send to a friend...
>     Tagging pictures is quite a time consuming task, and it can be
>     frustrating to
>     fall behind with it.
>     Depending on your personality, one of several approaches to this
>     problem might
>     help:
>     a. Let the images pile up until you have the energy to tag them.
>     When the pile
>     of untagged images gets too big, tag all photos with a "TODO" tag
>     and mark
>     them as tagged.
>     b. Do some basic tagging (Event, Location, ...) right away.
>     Optionally mark
>     the best few images as "selection" and do full tagging on those
>     (People,
>     Keywords)
>     You might say that solution "a" is not a real solution, but at
>     least it is a
>     way to manage expectations and to keep the level of frustration
>     low. Generally
>     speaking, I would say that approach "b" is a better approach, but
>     whatever
>     works for you is right.
> haha, I will try option "b".  I'm starting from 2019 and will go back
> through my collection.
>     > Now I started to catalog all of them, But I would like to now what
>     > categories and keywords do other people use. I now this is not a
>     problem
>     > with a single solution, but some tips would be useful.
>     Basically, my advice to you is: what things do you search for?
>     You've been
>     using kphotoalbum for a long time: did you ever wish to search for
>     some
>     specific category or tag?
>     These two questions should be a good guide whether something is a
>     good tag for
>     your usage of kphotoalbum.
> I see, then I realize that I do not need very complicated tags,
> because, people and places (date is always included) are the more
> important one for me.
>     > Yesterday, I tagged a some pictures with Keyword="river", and
>     several
>     > photographs later, I started to tag a set of photographs of a
>     trip to a
>     > river source, where some of them do not have the river itself in the
>     > photograph. So, how to deal with this?
>     Personally, I encounter this problem most often when tagging
>     people: is a
>     person in the image if the face is clearly visible, or only if the
>     person is
>     the focus of the image, or even when the person is only partially
>     visible?
> That's right. And it is also for some people that appear only once
> every hundred (probably thousands) of shots, like friends from work,
> in Christmas party. Here the answer should be do not tag people , but
> only tag as the name of the company...
>     This is a genuinely hard problem. You might want to take a
>     two-pass approach
>     and go over your images a second time, with the goal of making tags
>     consistent. For some categories this may be worthwhile, for others
>     it may be a
>     waste of time.
>     One thing to keep in mind, though: Once you found *some* river
>     image of your
>     trip, it is usually easy to find more images of the same trip. So
>     you don't
>     have to be perfect all the time...
> Mmm. Ok, I get the point, that if I remember an old photograph close
> to a river, it could be easier if I tag all photographs in the trip as
> "river", so I could find all in the future and get the right one in
> little time.
Once you find one picture that has what you're looking for, you can
discover what folder it is in and when it was taken. Then, you can exit
the search and just find the photo by its folder or date (among all the
other photos) and then many of the pictures taken at roughly the same
time or in the same folder will probably be what you are looking for
even if they don't have particular tags. So you don't strictly need to
tag all of them to be able to find them although doing so will make them
a bit easier to find.
>     > How do you use label, and descriptions fields?
>     Personally, I use the description field sparingly, basically for
>     context that
>     I know I would not remember in ten years time. Also, I misuse it
>     as a way to
>     add information to tags: I have blanket-tags for "animal" and
>     "plant", and use
>     the description field to write the species name of the animal or
>     plant.
>     If I were serious about tagging animals or plants, the superior
>     approach would
>     be to have separate tags for each species of animal or plant, though.
> Ok. As I put a small description in the folder containing the
> photographs for each date, I could leave it blank, or write the same
> information in the label or description box.
>     > I found this place:
>     > https://lightroom-keyword-list-project.blogspot.com/p/get-list.html
>     > But I found that list really huge.
>     Looking at such a list for inspiration can be a good starting
>     point. In the
>     end the only thing that matters is your individual needs, though.
>     E.g. my own categories are:
>     Keywords
>     Places
>     People
>     Source (copyright holder)
>     Status (untagged, done, todo, published, ...)
>     Film ID (to find the negative strips of analog images)
>     Within the keywords category, I always tag the event/topic/trip
>     title (this
>     should really be done as a separate "Events" category but
>     hindsight is 20:20).
>     Apart from this, it is quite a random assortment of tags, somewhat
>     structured
>     by using tag groups. It works for me, but I could not give you any
>     advice on
>     what works for you...
>     I also use ratings, but unfortunately I'm not very consistent
>     about it...
> Thank you very much for your explanation and your time. I will try to
> keep it simple.
> Your Status category seems useful.  I will add it. The same, it would
> be good having ratings, at least 4 or 5 stars so they could be the
> ones chosen for prints or just the ones I would like to show.
>     > As a side question, I could not find an option fix the Zoom
>     level while
>     > viewing images. Could be a nice feature to compare to or three
>     photographs
>     > in a series for the sharpest of them. Is this possible?
>     Not really. You can change the default image size / zoom level in
>     the settings
>     (Full viewer size, Natural image size, Natural image size if <=
>     viewer size).
>     Maybe this is enough for you?
> As I wirte to Joe before, I have found that the program "qeeqie" if
> very helpful with that. I will try to use it and keep KPA only for the
> original purpose (Which it does extremely well !!)
>     Cheers,
>       Johannes
> Thank you again.
> Angel.
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