[Konsole-devel] [Bug 152385] Allow konsole to store terminal size in the profile.

[Alain Knaff]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152385





--- Comment #22 from Alain Knaff <kde kde lka org lu>  2009-02-21 16:12:17 ---
> Firstly - I don't mind making it possible for Konsole not to remember the
> window size or to use a specified fixed size for new windows.  It just needs
> someone to write the code,

Ok, so basically, if I understand correctly, this broke due to some underlying
libraries changes with KDE, and you just didn't get around to fixing it yet?

> However, when I came to overhaul Konsole I had a long list of priorities and
> this wasn't at the top.  I felt, and I still do think, that remembering the
> last used window size is the best behavior for the majority of users (who only
> have one or two Konsole windows open in a session) - so that got implemented
> first.  That's all there is to it.

So, if I understand this paragraph correctly, it was _not_ an accident or
lack-of-time to adapt to new libraries, but rather a _deliberate_ decision.

So, which is it? Or was it a deliberate decision at some point, and then you
ran out of time to revert it back?

> As far as this being a 'show stopper' goes - I think it is daft if you're 
> being made to choose between two complete desktops based on one feature of one
> program.

The thing is, in KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, there were loads of other similar issues
in other parts of KDE (not possible to add icons to kpanel/plasma, kalendar
focus bugs, not possible to define alternate menues, ...). Each one of them
taken on its own might not be enough to justify holding back on the switch, but
all taken together certainly were/are. On the plus side, most other outstanding
issues have been fixed.

> Konsole from KDE 3 works under KDE 4 and it really ought to be
> possible to have both installed at the same time so you can run Konsole/KDE 3
> under KDE 4.2.

It ought to be possible, but in practice, it isn't, unfortunately. On Fedora
10, I get:

./konsole: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeprint.so.4: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

> I understand that distributions have a trade-off to make and
> any effort they invest in keeping KDE 3 apps running is time they could be
> spending on KDE 4 but I still find it daft that packaging systems make it such
> a pain to have many versions of the same software installed at once.

So now, instead they spend so much more time on supporting entire "old"
distributions, because people fear to "up"grade. Case in point, Kubuntu
committed on keeping 8.04 supported until October 2009, so during this time,
they cannot really brush off people who find a problem in a (non KDE) related
package that has been fixed in 8.10 or 9.04 . If they had stuck to KDE 3.5
until 4 was really ready, people would have moved along easier, saving them
time on supporting obsolete non-KDE related package.

> The other approach, of never removing any feature or option from an 
> application hurts new users at the expense of keeping a (relatively small) 
> number of

This is daft. But fortunately the authors of the other parts of KDE don't seem
to agree with you on this. Indeed they are adding back the dropped
functionalities, one-by-one. KDE 4.2 is almost there. Among those features that
I need, the only missing ones are konsole sizes, virtual desktop labels and
alternative menu buttons.

The many other issues, (such as icons in the panel, windowlist button, kalendar
focus, various display problems...) have fortunately been fixed in 4.2

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