Krita demo at Digital Domain London was a success.

Tue Aug 28 10:06:22 UTC 2012

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Boudewijn Rempt <boud at valdyas.org> wrote:

> On Monday 27 August 2012 Aug, Simon Legrand wrote:
> > Hi there! I'm am so sorry for the delay! I was busy helping this cool
> guy (
> > http://rd3d.com/dtools/) port his tools for Linux and I only have so
> much
> > free time. :) again, sorry.
>
> No problem! In the meantime, I've been working on getting the lut docker
> into git master and to get the errors ironed out. There still are quite a
> few errors, and some new ones, but there's been progress on the whole.
> Hampered a little by a commercial project to bring Krita to Windows 8
> tablets, which took a lot of time.
>

That is great news. Also congratulations on the Krita for windows 8. It
makes me want it for Android now :P

>
> This also contains all-new code to handle floating point images, which
> should be quite a bit faster and more full-features than the code that's
> currently used in the centos packages.

Now THAT is very interesting. Performance performance performance! :) Where
can I find this branch again?

>
> > It is still quite hard to get people adopting a tool they've never used
> > before but for those in the company who are making the effort to launch
> > Krita instead of Gimp or Photoshop and in some instances Nuke or Mari,
> the
> > general consensus is that it's a great tool. The UI being so 'familiar'
> is
> > a great sale for us.
>
> Yay!
>
> > Initially I've mostly had 'surface level' feedback as people are not
> > pushing it to its limits yet. Mainly the UI seems to hang a little a
> behave
> > a little erratically at times when using the wacom. It's really hard
> > to pinpoint exactly what gives it this strange feeling. My opinion is
> that
> > it comes from dialogs flicking open in the wrong initial position when
> you
> > first open a palette for example.
>
> Hm... Are most people using multi-monitor setups? That's a bit undertested
> atm.g
>

Yes. But it's happening on my home machine on a single monitor setup too.
Kubuntu Precise, Krita 2.6 Pre-Alpha

> >
> > To replicate:
> >
> > -Open Krita
> > -Create any kind of project
> > -now click any of the buttons on the top bar. ie: "edit brush settings"
> or
> > "chose brush preset" or the color or gradients buttons.
> > -You will notice that, the first time you click any of those, a 'ghost'
> > window appears briefly (~0.2 second) and then the actual palette opens.
> > This only occurs once. Afterwards everything is fine.
> >
> > It's not a big deal, but it is a little jarring and may be one of those
> > things that give a subconscious 'impression' of instability.
> >
> > Also drag and drop may get a bit annoying with a wacom when selecting
> > layers. It seems that layers get 'grabbed' quite quickly when you're
> simply
> > trying to select it or activate it. Maybe a grab 'handle' to the right of
> > the layer could help with this?
> >
> > We have been getting crashes here and there as well, but the artists seem
> > to have a hard time reporting things. instead they just move on with
> their
> > task using something else. It's an age old problem so I'm going to try
> and
> > see what I can do about that.
> >
> > Also I think performance is really strange at work compared to my home
> > machine. At high bit depths Krita seems to struggle on my work machine,
> > however on my home machine it's a real pleasure to work with. I need to
> > investigate.
>
> I'll check these things. They are the tricky kind of last-mile, papercut
> style of things. Either hard to reproduce (the flicker thing) or hard to
> fix properly (the layerbox thing). If your home machine is *buntu and you
> compile krita from git master, then that probably explains the difference
> in performance.
>

Yes that's exactly it. My home one is on Kubuntu and compiled from source.
Our work one is still working within the secondary kde4 environment you
setup for us. Which is awesome but may be the reason for slightly slower
performance. Fair enough. :)

>
> >
> > I've also been getting a couple of small UI requests that have popped up
> a
> > couple of times.
> >
> > Tabs for different canvases instead of a whole new Krita UI from every
> > image. I also have to say I totally agree with that. It makes working on
> 10
> > different images or frames at the same time mush more manageable. Gimp
> and
> > Photoshop seem to have implemented this and I have to say that it's quite
> > great. My apologies if something like this is already being made or if
> it's
> > already in krita but I have not found the option.
>
> No, it's not there yet. We've been discussing a kind of documents docker
> that keeps several documents open and ready, with thumbnails in a nice
> list. Simple tabs should be easy enough to implement, but the idea is to
> have a docker that can show open documents, documents on disk or recent
> documents and maybe even save groups of documents as projects for easy
> re-opening. No work has been done.
>

That would be really great. Making it easy to manage larger numbers opened
documents would be very handy. The way to achieve that can be one of
several ways and I personally would be happy with anything.

>
> > A 'navigator' window like Photoshop and gimp. That top right thumbnail
> with
> > the zoom and the crop section. I know it seems a bit useless, but most
> > people don't know the navigation shortcuts for Krita initially, so a
> little
> > navigator would help a bit. It's one of those legacy habits
> > that Photoshop has burnt in all of our feeble minds I guess. :)
>
> We lost our overview docker when we ported Krita from 1.6 to 2.0 :-(.
> There's a wish for it, though: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303876.
> I really want to implement that -- or entice someone to implement it :-).
>

Ha! I had a feeling I'd seen this before in Krita. Wondered where it went.
:)

>
> > Sorry for the messy email.
>
> No problem!
>
> > If you want clarification on any of this please
> > let me know. Also, please know that none of this is really pressing. We
> are
> > slowly picking it up and management is supporting the move. But it takes
> > time. People are not 'dabbing' around over there, we're under some pretty
> > tight deadlines and heavy pressure to do shots, so sometimes, even though
> > we'd like too, we just can't afford to take the risk to use something
> that
> > we are not 100% familiar with. However as time goes on, people start
> > realising what Krita can offer to help, whether it is from me suggesting
> it
> > to someone or the artists willingly opening it up during a few days of
> > quite time, it's slowly catching on.
>
> Yes, I really understand that :-). Thanks for your update!
>

You're most welcome! Thank you all for the amazing work! 2.6 pre-alpha is
really awesome!

>
> >
> > Thank you again to everyone involved in Krita for this great project!
> --
> Boudewijn Rempt
> http://www.valdyas.org, http://www.krita.org, http://www.boudewijnrempt.nl
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