Best KDE development tools... help... Borland Kylix?

[Girard Henri]

Kill X is very expensive.. and it's not done for free
development !!! So after microsoft borland is going
"propriatary way"...
I prefer have bugs and need a lot of time to develop..
but at list I always have someone to help me to
debugg.. and this FREE... So I have larn a lot I
wouldn't have done with all this commercial "stuff"..
Borland could have done a free kill X.. He hasn't.. he
made a wrong choice !!!
The communauty doesn't need this kind of commercial
bullshit... soon we got certainly a microsoft linux...
stuff.... and then finished !!!
Look redhat : I use to train with it.. now it's full
of bug for free "stuff"... 
As long as we can keep free stuff linux is having a
long time for future : Don't forget "666".... Which is
the number of man ... in Apocalypse ... 
For those who have other culture than technical !!!!
happy time .. happy developping.. without kill X but
with kdev !!! lol
Henri



--- David Joham <djoham at criadvantage.com> a écrit : > 
> Luzi,
> 
> I have to correct a couple of your statements in
> defense of Borland...
> 
> Kylix does not run under WINE. They used some of
> WineLib to help port their
> packages. However, it is a native executable. There
> is no emulation
> involved.
> 
> Kylix used to be expensive, but Borland just
> yesterday I believe cut the
> price of the desktop version to $199 US. You can
> purchase it at
>
http://shop.borland.com/Product/0,1057,3-15-CQ100479,00.html.
> I'm ordering
> my copy tonight.
> 
> Ian, here's my two cents worth.
> 
> The choice of development platforms depends on what
> you're trying to do with
> them. At the moment, here's how I see the major
> players in the market
> 
> Free tools:
> 
> KDevelop - nice tool, but it's not fully baked yet.
> Missing code complete
> and a full GUI builder. 3.0 should really rock but
> is still a ways away. C++
> is the primary focus, but others will be added in
> the future. Allows for the
> development of KDE specific widgets and what not.
> There is no commercial
> support that I am aware of for KDevelop.
> 
> KDE Studio - This is maintained and commercially
> supported by The Kompany.
> It too is missing a full GUI builder (it uses the
> same one as KDevelop) but
> it does have code complete. To me, the interface is
> not as intuitive as
> KDevelop, but others like it better so its really a
> matter of preference.
> KDE studio seems a little more mature to me although
> I'm not as sure of the
> future with this product as I am with the future of
> KDevelop.
> 
> Forte - Sun's free Java implementation. Some people
> love it. I can's stand
> it. The interface is poorly laid out in my opinion.
> However, it is a
> professional quality tool (it used to be NetBeans)
> that has full support
> from a major company. Java only and is also written
> in Java.
> 
> Commercial Tools:
> 
> Kylix - I haven't yet used Kylix, but I've used
> Delphi a lot. I love object
> Pascal and how Delphi implements it. They would have
> had to really screw it
> up to make this a bad product. At the moment, it is
> object Pascal only. C++
> will be coming along shortly. Commercial support is
> available. Kylix has two
> versions, server and desktop. Borland's focus with
> the desktop edition is
> applications rather than low level widgets. At the
> moment, there is no real
> integration with the KDE or GNOME component systems.
> Can you blame them?
> Kylix also has the nifty feature of co-development
> for Windows and Linux if
> you do things right.
> 
> Metrowerks - I don't know much about this product,
> but people seem to like
> it.
> 
> JBuilder - I've used JBuilder on Linux and it is
> really nice. Have lots of
> memory. Java only and is written in Java. Commercial
> support available.
> 
> Visual Age for Java - I've used this tool as well,
> but I still like JBuilder
> better. IBM is pushing Linux like there is no
> tomorrow, so you can bet this
> tool will be around for a while. The major problems
> that I've seen is that
> it uses the Motif (yuk) toolkit as it's core and at
> the moment is a version
> behind the Windows edition. Integrates well with all
> of the other IBM
> products out there.
> 
> 
> I've probably missed some here, so no flames please.
> I guess in conclusion I
> would recommend the following:
> 
> If you are doing commercial development for Intel
> Windows and Linux, use
> Kylix.
> If you have the extra 200 bux to spend and would
> like a higher level
> language than C++ to hack on, use Kylix
> If Free is important to you, use KDevelop or KDE
> Studio
> If you want your code to be included in KDE in the
> future, use KDevelop or
> KDE Studio
> If you use Java in a non-IBM environment, use
> JBuilder.
> If you use Java in an IBM environment, use Visual
> Age
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luzius Ambühl [mailto:ambuehl at amdata.ch]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:47 PM
> To: kdevelop at kdevelop.org
> Subject: Re: Best KDE development tools... help...
> Borland Kylix?
> 
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> I haven't yet programed with Kylix, but I know the
> following facts:
> -CLX is built around QT.
> -Kylix doesn't know anything about special
> KDE-technologies like DCOP or 
> widgets
> -You can use them if you first write C-wrappers and
> then import them
> -The german linux magazin had a headline 'Die Ruinen
> von Delphi' (The ruins 
> of Delphi)
> -It's rather slow, cause it runs using wine
> -It's pretty expensive
> 
> I definitely would go for KDevelop.
> 
> bye Luzi
> 
> Am Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 21.57 schrieben Sie:
> > Thanks -- any others you can recommend? How about
> commercial development
> > tools and other open source tools, IDEs and RAD
> tools?
> >
> > Also, do you (or anyone else here) know how good
> Borland Kylix is with
> > working on KDE (or GNOME) projects? I know it is
> "KDE-aware" and I'm
> pretty
> > sure that the CLX component library was built on
> Qt, but if you know first
> > hand how Kylix will work for KDE developers, that
> would be great to know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Hunt" <jhuntnz at users.sf.net>
> > To: <kdevelop at kdevelop.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: Best KDE development tools... help...
> >
> > > On Friday 25 May 2001 09:03, you wrote:
> > > > Hello KDE developers,
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for some of the best KDE and GNOME
> development tools out
> >
> > there.
> >
> > > > Any IDE or RAD tools that really help in the
> development of KDE or
> > > > GNOME projects, especially tools that help in
> developing components,
> > > > widgets, etc. Any recommendations you could
> make would be appreciated!
> > > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Well you came to the right place. Checkout
> http://www.kdevelop.org for a
> > > great IDE.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Hunt
> 
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