Best KDE development tools... help... Borland Kylix?

[ISmith]

In defense of Borland, they ARE coming out with a FREE version of Kylix very
soon, and they already have an open-source version of CLX, the component
library that comes with it. Also, they just slashed prices on the "Desktop"
commercial version of Kylix. The real mystery for me, though, is whether or
not Kylix is suitable for KDE and GNOME developers, specifically. --Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Girard Henri" <henrigirard at yahoo.fr>
To: <kdevelop at kdevelop.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: Best KDE development tools... help... Borland Kylix?


> Kill X is very expensive.. and it's not done for free
> development !!! So after microsoft borland is going
> "propriatary way"...
> I prefer have bugs and need a lot of time to develop..
> but at list I always have someone to help me to
> debugg.. and this FREE... So I have larn a lot I
> wouldn't have done with all this commercial "stuff"..
> Borland could have done a free kill X.. He hasn't.. he
> made a wrong choice !!!
> The communauty doesn't need this kind of commercial
> bullshit... soon we got certainly a microsoft linux...
> stuff.... and then finished !!!
> Look redhat : I use to train with it.. now it's full
> of bug for free "stuff"...
> As long as we can keep free stuff linux is having a
> long time for future : Don't forget "666".... Which is
> the number of man ... in Apocalypse ...
> For those who have other culture than technical !!!!
> happy time .. happy developping.. without kill X but
> with kdev !!! lol
> Henri
>
>
>
> --- David Joham <djoham at criadvantage.com> a écrit : >
> > Luzi,
> >
> > I have to correct a couple of your statements in
> > defense of Borland...
> >
> > Kylix does not run under WINE. They used some of
> > WineLib to help port their
> > packages. However, it is a native executable. There
> > is no emulation
> > involved.
> >
> > Kylix used to be expensive, but Borland just
> > yesterday I believe cut the
> > price of the desktop version to $199 US. You can
> > purchase it at
> >
> http://shop.borland.com/Product/0,1057,3-15-CQ100479,00.html.
> > I'm ordering
> > my copy tonight.
> >
> > Ian, here's my two cents worth.
> >
> > The choice of development platforms depends on what
> > you're trying to do with
> > them. At the moment, here's how I see the major
> > players in the market
> >
> > Free tools:
> >
> > KDevelop - nice tool, but it's not fully baked yet.
> > Missing code complete
> > and a full GUI builder. 3.0 should really rock but
> > is still a ways away. C++
> > is the primary focus, but others will be added in
> > the future. Allows for the
> > development of KDE specific widgets and what not.
> > There is no commercial
> > support that I am aware of for KDevelop.
> >
> > KDE Studio - This is maintained and commercially
> > supported by The Kompany.
> > It too is missing a full GUI builder (it uses the
> > same one as KDevelop) but
> > it does have code complete. To me, the interface is
> > not as intuitive as
> > KDevelop, but others like it better so its really a
> > matter of preference.
> > KDE studio seems a little more mature to me although
> > I'm not as sure of the
> > future with this product as I am with the future of
> > KDevelop.
> >
> > Forte - Sun's free Java implementation. Some people
> > love it. I can's stand
> > it. The interface is poorly laid out in my opinion.
> > However, it is a
> > professional quality tool (it used to be NetBeans)
> > that has full support
> > from a major company. Java only and is also written
> > in Java.
> >
> > Commercial Tools:
> >
> > Kylix - I haven't yet used Kylix, but I've used
> > Delphi a lot. I love object
> > Pascal and how Delphi implements it. They would have
> > had to really screw it
> > up to make this a bad product. At the moment, it is
> > object Pascal only. C++
> > will be coming along shortly. Commercial support is
> > available. Kylix has two
> > versions, server and desktop. Borland's focus with
> > the desktop edition is
> > applications rather than low level widgets. At the
> > moment, there is no real
> > integration with the KDE or GNOME component systems.
> > Can you blame them?
> > Kylix also has the nifty feature of co-development
> > for Windows and Linux if
> > you do things right.
> >
> > Metrowerks - I don't know much about this product,
> > but people seem to like
> > it.
> >
> > JBuilder - I've used JBuilder on Linux and it is
> > really nice. Have lots of
> > memory. Java only and is written in Java. Commercial
> > support available.
> >
> > Visual Age for Java - I've used this tool as well,
> > but I still like JBuilder
> > better. IBM is pushing Linux like there is no
> > tomorrow, so you can bet this
> > tool will be around for a while. The major problems
> > that I've seen is that
> > it uses the Motif (yuk) toolkit as it's core and at
> > the moment is a version
> > behind the Windows edition. Integrates well with all
> > of the other IBM
> > products out there.
> >
> >
> > I've probably missed some here, so no flames please.
> > I guess in conclusion I
> > would recommend the following:
> >
> > If you are doing commercial development for Intel
> > Windows and Linux, use
> > Kylix.
> > If you have the extra 200 bux to spend and would
> > like a higher level
> > language than C++ to hack on, use Kylix
> > If Free is important to you, use KDevelop or KDE
> > Studio
> > If you want your code to be included in KDE in the
> > future, use KDevelop or
> > KDE Studio
> > If you use Java in a non-IBM environment, use
> > JBuilder.
> > If you use Java in an IBM environment, use Visual
> > Age
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luzius Ambühl [mailto:ambuehl at amdata.ch]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:47 PM
> > To: kdevelop at kdevelop.org
> > Subject: Re: Best KDE development tools... help...
> > Borland Kylix?
> >
> >
> > Hi Ian,
> >
> > I haven't yet programed with Kylix, but I know the
> > following facts:
> > -CLX is built around QT.
> > -Kylix doesn't know anything about special
> > KDE-technologies like DCOP or
> > widgets
> > -You can use them if you first write C-wrappers and
> > then import them
> > -The german linux magazin had a headline 'Die Ruinen
> > von Delphi' (The ruins
> > of Delphi)
> > -It's rather slow, cause it runs using wine
> > -It's pretty expensive
> >
> > I definitely would go for KDevelop.
> >
> > bye Luzi
> >
> > Am Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 21.57 schrieben Sie:
> > > Thanks -- any others you can recommend? How about
> > commercial development
> > > tools and other open source tools, IDEs and RAD
> > tools?
> > >
> > > Also, do you (or anyone else here) know how good
> > Borland Kylix is with
> > > working on KDE (or GNOME) projects? I know it is
> > "KDE-aware" and I'm
> > pretty
> > > sure that the CLX component library was built on
> > Qt, but if you know first
> > > hand how Kylix will work for KDE developers, that
> > would be great to know.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jonathan Hunt" <jhuntnz at users.sf.net>
> > > To: <kdevelop at kdevelop.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Best KDE development tools... help...
> > >
> > > > On Friday 25 May 2001 09:03, you wrote:
> > > > > Hello KDE developers,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for some of the best KDE and GNOME
> > development tools out
> > >
> > > there.
> > >
> > > > > Any IDE or RAD tools that really help in the
> > development of KDE or
> > > > > GNOME projects, especially tools that help in
> > developing components,
> > > > > widgets, etc. Any recommendations you could
> > make would be appreciated!
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Well you came to the right place. Checkout
> > http://www.kdevelop.org for a
> > > > great IDE.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Hunt
> >
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