[kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13

Sat Jun 18 19:44:27 UTC 2016

Hi Larry,

Two things:

1- This isn't a place for politics, even though using free software could
be a political stance, here we discuss everything related to kdenlive it is
not censorship but focus on the topic. Plus there are better places for
this issues.

2- The tone you write your emails with are as is someone owes you
something. If you don't like how something has changed try to come up with
a solution and not just complain. If you want something urgently then offer
a bounty and maybe someone will pick it up.

Have a good weekend.

2016-06-18 15:22 GMT-03:00 Larry Engel <larryengel at justice.com>:

> In Kdenlive the Chroma Key worked well.  There are even youtube.com
> videos showing how to use it.
> With all do respect Mr Massimo Stella the tone of my comment is based on
> the fact that in earlier versions Chroma Key was doing a good job.
> Someone made an error causing a major problem when that should have left
> well enough alone, if they did not want to spend the time to test changes.
> All video editors today are subject to sabotage for political reasons.  It
> is a way to censor the internet. When something goes beyond a mere bug and
> causes major problems, hopefully it was a mistake.  The Chroma Key was
> working and easy to use, just put it back the way it was in earlier
> versions. So why did this happen?  Will the party explain the change? What
> is the idea?  Why do they not believe that wrecking Chroma Key is serious
> stuff?  I have experienced a couple of slam bugs, if that is the problem
> with Kdenkive folks - heres how to handle it.  Don't get upset! Save your
> work frequently. when it crashes reboot and go on with the project.  It is
> no big deal.  Killing Chroma Key is major!
> --- kdenlive-request at kde.org wrote:
>
> From: kdenlive-request at kde.org
> To: kdenlive at kde.org
> Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:01:36 +0000
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1.  Kdenlive release cycles (Narcis Garcia)
>    2. Re:  R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 (Evert Vorster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:00:11 +0200
> From: Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net>
> To: kdenlive at kde.org
> Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive release cycles
> Message-ID: <5765700B.6000406 at actiu.net>
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> How does work Kdenlive's versioning and stabilization?
>
> Are there some kind of "major", "LTS" or "stable" versions that are
> feature-frozen and focused about updates for bug fixing?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:01:25 +0100
> From: Evert Vorster <evorster at gmail.com>
> To: Massimo Stella <maxstar at tin.it>
> Cc: larryengel at justice.com, Kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11
> Message-ID:
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> Hi there, just to clear up some confusion on some points...
>
> Some applications have a default scheme, and also a setting for following
> the system scheme. This makes just about everyone happy.
> Kdenlive is by default to follow the system, scheme, and that is not a bad
> default at all.
>
> Not a single complaint from me there.
>
> That Kdenlive is buggy is a statement of fact. That this buggyness detracts
> from the user experience is a fact. I can point you to a rather long list
> of open bugs on kdenlive.
> I can also point you to a much longer list of closed out bugs, which
> attests to the Herculean efforts that JB is putting in. Still no complaints
> from my side.
>
> If I could code, I would contribute, but I can't, and I am doing the next
> best thing and reporting bugs that I find, as I find them. Hopefully no one
> is confusing this with complaining.
>
> In my opinion, Kdenlive is doing about as well as a single main developer
> can do with maintenance in his spare time.
> We either need more developers donating spare time, or hire a developer
> either part time or full time... for which we need money.
>
> Any ideas on how much money is needed or how it can be made are quite
> welcome, of course.
>
> One way would be to pay for preferential treatment for bug fixes or feature
> additions. I would gladly pay $50 to be able to switch projects between fps
> without corruption, for instance.
>
> Kind regards,
> Evert
>
> On 18 June 2016 at 15:35, Massimo Stella <maxstar at tin.it> wrote:
>
> > I never commented before emails about topics not directly linked to the
> > improvement of Kdenlive. But now I'm really bored in reading texts which
> > contains, though in a respectful form, insults, outlets for frustration
> and
> > useless polemics.
> > My opinion is that we have to help developers in creating an application
> > which can interest professionals and I believe that we'll be able to do
> it
> > by inserting in Kdenlive the majority of the tools professionals need
> > before we create the windows version. When the Windows version will be
> > ready (as Windows on desktop is still adopted by 75% of the users) people
> > will be able to decide if to continue to use proprietary software or
> FLOSS
> > for professional video editing purpose.
> > When I read sentence like "Thereby, making Kdenkive a amateur second
> class
> > editor. It is more than a bug" related to chromakey feature, or "I
> > respectfully disagree on same look everywhere." and then "Kdenlive today
> is
> > that it is so buggy that you can't do any serious work on it" I think
> that
> > people before to write has to know better what are  real video editor
> > applications on the market, how they are used by real professionals and
> > take respect for the hard job people, like Jean-Baptiste, are doing.
> > About chromakey and effects filters I already wrote that in real world
> > producers use video editor applications for editing and compositing
> > software for comppositing. So generally in a professional studio or in
> > television nobody use AVID for chromkeying purpose. Of course it's better
> > to have a fully functionally chromakey feature working inside Kdenlive
> (for
> > fast and rough keying jobs) but the lack of it doesn't make "make
> Kdenkive
> > a amateur second class editor. It is more than a bug". Feature lacks for
> > real editors are others. For a good chromakey you can use Blender
> > compositor and Natron, just for eg., which were created also for this
> > purpose. You create effects in a compositing application and then you
> edit
> > them inside your video with a video editor applications, this is what
> > happens in real productions.
> > Then someone complains about bugs but it also complains about the GUI. He
> > wants less bugs but also a configurable theme fo making his computer
> looks
> > all the same.
> > Actually in proprietary software world each application has it's own
> theme
> > and you can just maybe change the color if you are lucky. Also some
> > application on the FLOSS world work this way too. If to create a fixed
> > theme and set of icons help to fix bugs in the Kdenlive GUI we have to
> > choose the way which easier solve the problem instead of ask for
> something
> > which consume time in developping other more important features.
> > I believe we have to test and know what others very costly applications,
> > developped by groups of dozens of people, do and try to sugguest how to
> > improve Kdenlive for becoming the best video editor application ever,
> > instead of  complain and use these tones.
> >
> > My suggestion is to follows these steps:
> > 1. Complete the application with all the tools for editing (not for
> > compositing) professionals need.
> > 2. Fix all the bugs (even during the first step)
> > 3. Propose the software to the Windows community and simplify the way to
> > install it on MacOS (and with this move we'll enter in direct competition
> > with Adobe, Avid and other software houses)
> > 4. Improve the software by adding filters and compositing feature we
> still
> > miss.
> >
> > So, please, stop to complain and collaborate!
> >
> > ----Messaggio originale----
> > Da: larryengel at justice.com
> > Data: 18-giu-2016 14.52
> > A: <kdenlive at kde.org>
> > Ogg: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11
> >
> >
> > No video editor can be consider serious if Chrome Key does not work with
> > blue or green as is the case with Ubuntu 15.04.1
> >
> > --- kdenlive-request at kde.org wrote:
> >
> > From: kdenlive-request at kde.org
> > To: kdenlive at kde.org
> > Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:00:15 +0000
> >
> > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to
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> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re:  Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (Evert Vorster)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:24:45 +0100
> > From: Evert Vorster <evorster at gmail.com>
> > To: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
> > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere.
> >
> >
> > I use the breeze dark theme on my desktop, and expect ALL my applications
> > to have that theme applied.
> >
> > Someone else might prefer a different theme for their desktop, and expect
> > that theme to be everywhere.
> >
> > Like it or not, desktops have themes, and there are as many variations as
> > there are people using them.
> >
> > Even something as simple as layout... what I prefer is completely
> different
> > from what you prefer. The beauty of kdenlive today it that it is
> > _configurable_, so that you can get the look and layout that you want,
> and
> > I can get the look and layout that _I_ want, and everybody is happy.
> >
> > The biggest detractor of Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you
> > can't do any serious work on it. Of course I use the git version, so the
> > set up bugs keep changing, and I do bug reports as quickly as I can
> ferret
> > them out, but the list of bugs seem to be growing. At some point we have
> to
> > stop adding features for a bit and squash bugs, which will improve the
> user
> > experience much, much more than a nice set of icons.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Evert Vorster
> >
> > On 17 June 2016 at 23:28, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I completely agree with Farid about the universal interface.
> Preferably,
> > > it would be great to see it all the same across distros right out of
> the
> > > box, without the user needing to go into styles and themes to choose
> what
> > > they think it should look like. For GNOME-based desktops, it's almost
> 90%
> > > identical to Kdenlive in KDE Plasma -- the only exception I'm seeing
> are
> > > the dialog boxes  when opening a project or adding clips/media (see
> this
> > > bug: <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882>
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882). However this can be set
> > up,
> > > I think it would be a huge step towards a more solid, positive
> > recognition
> > > with the Kdenlive appearance; users will know it by its look and color,
> > you
> > > know?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/17/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-request at kde.org wrote:
> > >
> > > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to
> > > kdenlive at kde.org
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> > > kdenlive-request at kde.org
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > > kdenlive-owner at kde.org
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> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >    1. Re:  Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (farid abdelnour)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:52:20 -0300
> > > From: farid abdelnour <snd.noise at gmail.com> <snd.noise at gmail.com>
> > > To: kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org> <kdenlive at kde.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <CAHMxv36SnYradXWOnQmXPBYuxVvNqQTAxm6JMDf+L1m-KdE_Kg at mail.gmail.com> <
> > CAHMxv36SnYradXWOnQmXPBYuxVvNqQTAxm6JMDf+L1m-KdE_Kg at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Vincent,
> > >
> > > - packaging: I had already updated stable PPA to 16.04.1. For me the
> > logics
> > >
> > > behind PPAs is still relevant: master for dev version, testing for
> bugfix
> > > as soon as they get out (16.04 branch for the moment), and stable for
> > > releases (downloads not more than every month)
> > >
> > >
> > > How relevant are PPA's now that Snap is launched?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Movit: just seen on forum that the lib is sensitive to localization:
> > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314
> worth
> > > a try!?
> > >
> > >
> > > I see that in Shotcut Movit causes a lot of bugs, I think we should
> wait
> > > until it gets stable or add a warning to users.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - icons: that's really surprising that no script can do the job yet!
> What
> > > is montel doing? ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Icons are messy still and this should be fixed for 16.08. We need to
> > offer
> > > a similar interface experience across all platforms and between
> different
> > > distros. A packaging guideline should be established.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - site: I have no time for this; maybe I should handle the installation
> > > part? (want to look at Flatpak!)
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes,please join in :)
> > >
> > > What are your views? Snap, Flatpak or both?
> > >
> > > - wanted to add: Farid is asking for EDL for years... and Shotcut has
> > just
> > >
> > > integrated this feature! Maybe not so far for Kdenlive?
> > >
> > >
> > > That would be a dream come true. I see Natron people have noticed this.
> > Do
> > > you know which EDL stardard they use?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > J e s s e   D u B o r d
> > >  ❯  Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer.
> > >
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> > > <https://twitter.com/JesseDuBord>
> > >
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