[Kdenlive-devel] TalkOSS and Kdenlive

Fri Jun 11 09:08:52 UTC 2010

Well I would completely disagree with you on the idea that a poor quality
hammer doesn't hinder production (not saying that kdenlive is a poor quality
hammer). The old saying that "A poor workman blames his tools" may be right
but a good workman always chooses the best tools, at least the best he can
afford.

This is where I am at the moment, someone looking for a good tool with not
very money as of yet. I agree that it was useful that Blender had money to
fund the project peach, and that it was a side effect of the need for
training that probably lead to them making some good revenue from the sale
of books but that was a completely different model. That was blender itself
funding something with the intention of improving blender. I, however, am a
third party that is coming in to try and "fund" the tool I need to get
better.

I say "fund" above because I do intend to make money from this venture,
enough to break even and also fund development of the tools that I use. I
would eventually like to sponsor development in Kdenlive but I did not want
to mention that in the original email because I cannot guarantee that my
venture will ever take off and I did not want to commit to something that I
cannot guarantee. Right now all I intend to do is to provide my time and
effort, but I hope that this will change in the near future.

Cheers,
Chris

2010/6/11 velociraptor Genjix <aphidia at hotmail.com>

>  I'll sum up my thoughts, just so you can take inspiration from it:
>
> - Blender is not a pick up and use tool. Needs training.
> - People don't like to read from screens.
> - Blender provides a training manual and reference book.
> - People buy them.
> - Blender uses money to increase the presence of Blender.
> ...
> Culminates in the first open movie project. There was a lot of smaller
> projects from independents going on at the time and AFAIK this gave them the
> idea to actually make the killer movie to show Blender is adequate at
> creating CGI content.
>
> Thing is for a movie I think the NLE plays a supplementary role rather than
> a dominant one? We say artists make the art, not the tool but for 3D the
> tool is maybe more of a canvas than a hammer. A poor canvas can be hindering
> but a hammer has more relaxed rules.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:34:54 +0100
>
> From: g.real.ate at gmail.com
> To: kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Kdenlive-devel] TalkOSS and Kdenlive
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not quite sure what your point is... Are you just saying that blender
> was able to make some money on things like book sales so that it could
> afford to pay developers?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> 2010/6/11 velociraptor Genjix <aphidia at hotmail.com>
>
>  Hey,
>
> I was a developer who was paid to work a little bit on Blender's project
> Apricot and have a lot experience with Blenders method of project funding.
>
> The Blender Foundation produces a lot of useful content that people buy.
> Blender is complicated to use and people often end up being the printed
> manual and other books. Before they started they ran their studio they
> already had quite a bit of money stored up.
>
> Just my $0.02 ;) Not sure how it would work with a NLE that has a lower
> barrier of entry for people to learn- but everything always surprises me.
> Get a good model and work towards it.
>
> cya
>
> PS Love KDEnlive, really hoping for this software to become world best. ;)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:32:44 +0100
> From: g.real.ate at gmail.com
> To: kdenlive-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Kdenlive-devel] TalkOSS and Kdenlive
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>  I was chatting on the IRC channel Wednesday night with Alberto and got a
> chance to a discuss proposal I have for the Kdenlive team with him. All and
> all Alberto seemed like he liked the idea but urged me to bring the
> discussion up on the mailing list, so that's why I'm here!
>
>  I would call myself a KDE developer (even though I have not been
> developing for a while now) and have worked quite extensively on the Marble
> Desktop Globe project. Lately I have been working on a new project, apart
> from development, that will need some help/collaboration from the Kdenlive
> team and hopefully will end up with a mutually beneficial relationship
> between Kdenlive and TalkOSS.
>
>  The "big idea" is actually quite simple but has not yet been done quite
> right by anyone else. Let me explain....
>
>  We have many great Open Source Conferences around the world that are
> informative, useful to the community and sometimes quite entertaining. A lot
> of effort has been put into the organisation of the kind of events and at
> some of them (sometimes only ones with bigger budgets) there has been some
> effort put into recording the conferences. I have been to two of the larger
> ones that have had these higher budget recordings but there has been
> something lacking from these recordings and that has resulted in some pretty
> poor quality videos being released sometimes up to 4 months later than the
> conference. An example of such a video is currently up on my website
> www.talkoss.com.
>
>  My vision is to have professional people record these conferences,
> because that professional edge will be noticed instantaneously in the
> quality of the videos. Also I would like to have one place on the Internet
> where everyone can come together and watch these videos without having to go
> to disparate corners of the Internet to piece together an experience of a
> conference. There needs to be no barrier to entry in either the quality or
> the availability of the videos and I hope to be the man to give that to the
> world, with a bit of help.
>
>  This is where you guys come in. If I am planning to provide the world
> with professional quality videos I need a professional quality editing suite
> to edit them. I could invest in a professional suite like Adobe Final Cut
> pro but this is a no-go for 2 reasons. Firstly I will be starting this
> venture on a donations only basis to hopefully just break even and spending
> all of the generous donations on licencing fees instead of putting it to
> good work would seem criminal. Secondly, and this is much more important in
> my opinion, I don't believe that it is inherently *right* to be in the
> business of promoting open source and not be using open source tools for the
> entire process. This probably shows up my feelings about open source quite
> strongly but I a am a fanatic an I will always strive for what I believe in,
> and never compromise on the important things.
>
> Having made the decision to use open source tools I will inevitably be
> compromising on the stability and feature set of the editing suite for what
> I believe in, but I only see this as a short term problem. One of the things
> that I mentioned to Alberto on Wednesday was that I really like the concept
> of the Blender Foundation's "Project Peach" which most of you will know as
> Big Buck Bunny. They set out to produce a professional quality short
> animated film with blender and at any stumbling block where they needed a
> particular feature or the stability of the core was not up to scratch they
> had a team of developers to improve the blender software so that they could
> get the job done. This was a very successful project and ended up in some
> really exciting improvements being made to Blender and I don't see any
> reason why we cannot recreate the same effect. The "big project" this time
> will be TalkOSS.
>
> This is enough for my introductory email. I will need to start some
> separate discussions on what I feel we need to do, organisationally, to get
> this idea off the ground but those should be discussion items and should be
> separate from this email. And also, just to be clear, I'm not just coming
> around here asking for you guys to develop things for me so that I can get
> TalkOSS off the ground. I am instead offering my services as a developer and
> a heavy user/tester but my focus will be more so using the tool instead of
> developing new and exciting features that I won't need, in very much the
> same way as the Big Buck Bunny crew did.
>
> I'm sorry for the really long email but this is actually my first public
> announcement of the TalkOSS project and I wanted it to be complete. Please
> let me know what you all think of the idea and if you think we could work
> together on this one.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Manson  (a.k.a Andrew, Chris is my middle name ;)
>
>
>
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