All KNotes gone

Duncan 1i5t5.duncan at
Thu Aug 7 01:08:36 BST 2014

Alex Schuster posted on Wed, 06 Aug 2014 23:27:29 +0200 as excerpted:

> I also dropped KMail. I had way too many different issues, and it once
> deleted a lot of e-mails. I'm also using Claws now, but I miss KMail.
> Claws does not multi-task so well, it's not responsible when it fetches
> mails. I have several e-mail accounts, one with > 100 sub-folders, so
> checking takes a while. Thunderbird does this better. And also KMail.
> All this Akonadi stuff still sounds like a good idea. But not if it
> breaks things so often.

Four comments/suggestions on that:

1) My mail providers are all POP3, not IMAP, so I tend to forget about 
people with a bunch of server-side IMAP content to deal with.  With POP3 
claws' single-threaded-ness isn't too bad, but I guess it could be in 
multi-big-folders IMAP situations.

2) If you get a chance, I'd honestly like your opinion on trojita.  It's 
IMAP-only so not something I can use myself ATM, but based on what I saw 
when I researched it, were I on IMAP that would have very likely been the 
first thing I'd have tried when I decided I had to leave kmail.  You may 
not have time and/or may not want to try yet /another/ client, but should 
you find the idea interesting, I'd /love/ to see your thoughts on it 
after taking it for a spin, and then after say a month or so if the 
immediate fit is good enough to trial it that long.

(IIRC you're on gentoo too, unless I'm getting you mixed up with someone 
else.  If so, the fact that the trojita lead dev is a gentoo dev too 
might interest you.  Of course that's part of why I'm so interested in it 
myself, and would /love/ to see what someone with kmail and claws 
background both thinks about it.  I was actually quite tempted to setup 
dovecot or the like as a local IMAP server, just to try it out, and at 
this point, that's actually pretty high on my list should claws ever turn 
sour on me.)

3) I'm not sure if this will help with your claws interactivity issues or 
not, but I'll throw it out there.

Here, I'm actually running a couple separate claws instances.  In my 
case, it was because after I ended up on claws for mail and was thus 
familiar with its basics, when I decided to replace akregator and kill 
kdepim entirely, trying claws as my feeds-client as well was a a logical 
next-step, but I /did/ want to keep mail and feeds separate, and running 
a second claws instance was the way I managed it.

I have them set to different themes so I can tell apart their tray icons, 
and I had to point $HOME and $TMPDIR at different locations for each 
instance using a wrapper script for one, but for my needs it has actually 
worked pretty well.

Depending on how your mail accounts are arranged and the split of the 
traffic between them, if one has about the same traffic as all the others 
put together, then setting up two separate instances might be a 
reasonable solution for you too.  That could also work well for 
separating say work mail and private mail, too, which would be similar to 
the setup I have here but for different reasons.  OTOH, if nearly all the 
traffic is on one account anyway, that'll still be the big bottleneck and 
two claws instances won't help you much.

4) Going a bit more advanced, claws of course uses the mh mail-directory 
format, well known for its ease of scripting, and of course there are 
other mail clients including the text-based mutt that natively support 
mh.  A more advanced setup could use mutt or something else to do the 
primary (periodic) pulldowns in the background and possibly scripted to 
pull accounts in parallel, leaving claws to handle the local GUI side, 
plus occasional on-demand pulls.  I certainly appreciate that flexibility 
and the ability to script extensions as I want/need here, and actually 
have one rather minor extension I scripted myself setup.  Tho I don't 
actually use the feature heavily, it's definitely nice to know that it's 
there if I need it.  Of course before kmail went all akonadi, at least 
with maildir it had similar, if more limited, scriptability.  I guess 
it's sort of still there with akonadi, but given the lack of reliability, 
it'd be just that much of a bigger house of cards. <shrug>

Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
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