Yet another failed KDE release?

[dE .]

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Ingo Malchow <imalchow at kde.org> wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, 21. März 2013, 20:47:12 schrieb dE .:
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ingo Malchow <imalchow at kde.org> wrote:
> > > Am Dienstag, 19. März 2013, 22:28:48 schrieb dE .:
> > > > This release of KDE (4.10.1), is till date the buggiest I've seen.
> > > >
> > > > I switched to KDE when it was at 4.4.
> > > >
> > > > I personally, don't really mind the bugs, it reminds me how ignorant
> KDE
> > > > release team is; KDE was, is and never will be suited for the
> enterprise
> > >
> > > if
> > >
> > > > it continues these 6 months feature focused release cycles.
> > > >
> > > > This mailing list is full of rants and complains and the KDE teams
> > > > doesnt
> > > > give a damn.
> > >
> > > This is a KDE user support list. By nature you won't find posts like
> "Hey,
> > > plasma is working, can you help me?"...
> > > But seriously, complaints are always the loudest. Personally i am
> running
> > > KDE
> > > *with* semantic desktop and kdepim, and it works very smooth. Note,
> this
> > > is
> > > personal experience in my own workflow and machine. This doesn't
> reflect
> > > any
> > > other situation. Do i ever write to such a list about my happyness with
> > > it?
> > > No. Happy users only rarely write something to mailinglists about
> thanking
> > > the
> > > devs.
> > > So even if this list is full of complaints, and - let's say - there are
> > > around
> > > 10 rants per month, nothing else, how does it compare to some million
> kde
> > > users worldwide? not at all. Hope you get the point.
> >
> > There ain't many bug related complaints about Xfce -- it's a lot more
> > stable. I personally hardly found any bugs while using it.
> >
> > > > Again --
> > > >
> > > > We DON'T want features pouring at speed of light, we need STABILITY so
> KDE
> > >
> > > can
> > >
> > > > be _used_ by *common* people.
> > > >
> > > > Increase the release cycles to 2 years, or don't have ANY such time
> > > > limiting goals; i.e. wait for the new release to become stable
> enough,
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > provide bug backports for the current stable release.
> > > >
> > > > Is Novel listening? I wonder how they manage with KDE.
> > > >
> > > > This mail is for sake of the project, not for MY personal
> frustrations
> > >
> > > with
> > >
> > > > KDE. I deploy Xfce anyway.
> > >
> > > It pretty much sounds like frustrations. You take your own unstable
> system
> > > for
> > > a global issue. Believe me, it is not. Neither do i say, as my system
> is
> > > highly stable every other system is as well.
> > > As you said you do report bugs, which is highly appreciated. But like
> with
> > > all
> > > bugs, they need to be reproducable, else they are hard to fix. The more
> > > useful
> > > information the better.
> >
> > I'd the same issue with Debian testing; also distros wont upgrade to the
> > latest 'stable' KDE; they usually wait for the last bug fix release, or
> > even skip a whole major release.
> >
> > Speaking of which KDE maybe an attractive option on Debian stable, cause
> > the bugs wont increment (with major versions) there.
> >
> > You're basically trying to say here, I shouldn't complaint; and this's
> > exactly why the project is in such a horrible state. The reason why I'm
> > complaining is cause I want the situation to improve -- so does everyone
> > else.
>
> I am quite fine with complaints, and yes, constructive criticism drives a
> project forward. Only that you shouldn't think that when you see bugs
> everyone
> else sees them as well, because...
>
> >
> > The moment you open upgraded the KDE desktop you see bugs.
>
> ... i did not see any showstopper bugs after upgrade. It just works.
>
> Ingo Malchow
>

And the inverse is also true, if you don't see bugs, doesn't mean bugs
don't exist.

KDE is used on different distros and hardware, with different backends;
maximum of which should be tested before deployment.
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