Possible bug in kwin or ??

gene heskett gheskett at wdtv.com
Mon Apr 25 16:19:12 BST 2011

On Monday, April 25, 2011 10:58:50 AM Duncan did opine:

> gene heskett posted on Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:09:22 -0400 as excerpted:
> > This reply will detail why your bug tracker
> FWIW, I'm not sure if that's a general "your", directed at any kde
> people who may be reading, or an individual "your", directed at me as
> the person to whom you replied.
'your' was meant in the context that this is a kde list, not specifically 
you by any means.

> Just to be clear, I'm not a kde dev, nor a kde member in any official
> capacity, nor even am I a dev in general, unless you consider bash
> scripts "development".

We have that in common then.

> I'm simply a kde user as you are, and a list
> regular from the 4.2.4 era when I first tried to work with the then
> entirely alpha (despite claims to the contrary) quality kde4.  I spend
> a lot of time reading various sources about Linux and KDE, and run
> Gentoo, so I might know a bit more than average about how they work,
> but I'm still just a user and sysadmin over my own systems, same as
> you.
> So that "your bug tracker" is as much /your/ bug tracker as it is mine.
> =:^\

> Of course, the reference could also be interpreted as a back-reference
> to my specific suggestion to file a bug.  In that case, I suppose it's
> accurate as such a back-reference, since I /did/ make that suggestion.
> > leaves a very bad taste in
> > my mouth.  If it offends someone to the extent that the bug handling
> > gets fixed, that's nice, but this is NOT the first time I have ranted
> > about kde's broken bug system.  So with that in mind, RANT MODE ON:
> > 
> > While that seems a reasonable request, AIR the passwd db for access to
> > this bug manager seems to be cleaned at 90 day or so intervals.  I
> > have signed up, but my passwd written on the wall doesn't work the
> > next time, and  when I try to rejoin, it refuses to process the
> > request claiming I am already a member.  However, requesting a passwd
> > reminder never results in the reception of such a message by me,
> > effectively locking me out of the process, so the bug never gets
> > filed. I have even sent msgs to admin at kde.org, but that seems to be a
> > black hole.
> > 
> > After a while I lose patience with a method that seems purposely
> > designed to prevent/discourage the filing of bugs and just say screw
> > it
> Understandable under the circumstances.

I think so, obviously.
> FWIW, based on my experience with kde's bug tracker and others, it may
> be the browser cookie that automatically logs you in that expires after
> a few months.  After it expires, the next time you visit, you won't be
> logged in.  If the password you wrote down and the email address don't
> correspond... problem.

Browser cookies do expire.  And if I re-enter the passwd correctly, then a 
reasonable person would assume that the presence or lack of a cookie should 
be entirely moot.
> FWIW, for bug databases at least, I let the browser remember my login
> info for me.  Konqueror and kwallet seems to work quite well for that
> -- better than firefox does at times, for instance.

Firefox works well in that regard, remembered passwd's for important sites, 
or even /., seem to work well and I am greeted by my username at such 
> The other hint in that regard is to always use the login page so the
> browser remembers it, not the quick login that's often on the individual
> bug pages, etc, if you're not logged in, because those are individual
> URLs and you'd have to go back to the same one to get the browser to
> remember. By logging it at the actual login page each time, including
> the first, you always use the page the browser is tracking the login
> info for, and it works far better! =:^)

I hadn't considered that there may be more than one 'login page' associated 
with a given groups (like kde for example), in which case it seems there 
should either be only one page, with links to the various projects within 
the group once logged in, or a method of synchronizing the individual login 
> Second, again for low to medium security sites (not your bank login,
> IOW), the best solution I've found is to simply keep a plain text file
> with the login info.  Additionally, and this is IMPORTANT, always type
> the password into the text file, THEN SELECT/PASTE or COPY/PASTE IT
> FROM THERE TO THE PASSWORD BOX, as this allows you to actually see what
> you're typing.  If you type it directly into the password box, all you
> often see are stars, and if you make a mistake there you won't see it. 
> Then you retype it as you /thought/ you typed it into the text file,
> but it's different because you made a mistake typing it into the
> password box and didn't catch it. By typing it into the text file, then
> using the clipboard to put it in the password box, the consistency
> between them is assured.  Just be sure to type the NEW one into the
> text editor and copy IT over, if the first one is rejected for some
> reason.  Actually, I'll often try pasting it somewhere else too, to be
> very sure the clipboard contains exactly what I think it does, before
> pasting it into the password box itself.

That is no doubt good advice, and with this particular keyboard, very good 
advice.  After the fact doesn't help now of course, and probably 10 or more 
keyboards have been involved over the years.  Combine sticky keys and 
ancient fingers that were never in the same room with a typing tutor, and 
you get the picture pretty clearly I think. 

> I've had far less password trouble since I started doing that, than
> before! =:^)  But as I said, it's not a good idea to use the unencrypted
> text file for anything that's REALLY important, bank logins, ssh logins
> to your servers if you're not using key-based login instead, etc.  The
> same technique can be used for them but you should encrypt the file or
> something, just in case.  Then you have to remember the password to
> unlock the file, but that's just one to remember, while the file can
> have all the encrypted logins you want (well, within reason) stored in
> it.  But for bug tracker logins, etc, a plain text file is probably
> secure enough, as long as you aren't using the same passwords for it as
> your really secure stuff, anyway.
> > ATM I don't even know the URL.  Since I changed ISP's about a year
> > ago, maybe it doesn't know me and I could join long enough to get the
> > bug filed.
> > /Current/ URL please?
> https://bugs.kde.org

Step one for a new account has been done.

> or, simply typing bugs.kde.org into krunner opens konqueror (it'd be
> whatever browser you've set as your default for kde) to the correct
> place, here, and that's easy enough to remember.

Funnily, I don't recall the last time I actually used krunner, if that is 
what its called.  I keep plenty of terminal shells open. krunner hides 
errors, a shell doesn't...

Thanks Duncan.

Cheers, Gene
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