Cannot add Brother printer

[John]

On Tuesday 29 January 2008 17:17, Jonathan Doe wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 January 2008 09:37:55 am John wrote:
> > If the driver installation manages to get the right things in the right
> > places you may find that you can do the final enabling part via the cups
> > web interface. You may also find that the cups password isn't the same as
> > root.
>
> It would appear that the default config for cups is to use the root login.
> Does suse have a different user or something that they want you to use to
> configure cups?
>
> http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/overview.html
There was a cups version update some time ago. The net effect was that I could 
no longer log into cups as root. I don't think the problem was down to suse. 
>From memory the problem was down to a unilateral decision by cups that the 
admin password must contain a number. Having run other os networks where 
people try to spot passwords I do not like using numbers - much to easy to 
spot a mix of upper and lowercase is far more secure mixed with lower 
keyboard punctuation etc if one is paranoid or all numbers of the numeric 
keypad.
> > Also eg why
> > edit system files in the shell when it's much easier to edit in a desktop
> > editor. KDE also provides a user the opportunity to run any program as
> > root. It just needs a little bit of thought as to what one does do when
> > logged in as root.
>
> I think that many people would argue that vim or emacs is better for
> editing text files than anything that you're going to get bundled with kde
> or gnome.
I've written none PC software on a PC for a very long time. I eventually 
embraced windows. As a result of that experience I think that programs like 
emacs are largely for die hards. I have looked at it and if at some point if 
I find that I need to change a lot of files in some way without opening and 
typing etc I will use it or what ever will do that. On the desktop I use 
kate. Spoilt for me in more recent versions as it no longer remembers all of 
the files I've edited until I remove them. That was a a very useful facility 
for a number of reasons. eg No external navigation to open another one and a 
very useful memory jog. It also has syntax highlighting etc and any one that 
has used an editor would have no problems finding there way around it 
immediately. On emacs I even had a devil of a game getting out of it once I 
was in it. GUI apps have a very big advantage in that respect and one can 
work just as quickly via keyboard short cuts - though some people who have 
grown up with a mouse can use them at a remarkable speed. I favour horse for 
courses and use both.
>
> Running one or two programs as root is no big deal, as long as you think
> about what you are doing (as you pointed out). My point was that you
> shouldn't be logging into a kde or gnome session as root because instead of
> running just one or two programs, you are now running 15-20. This is the
> whole reason behind kdesu - so that a user does not need to login to a full
> kde session to do some administrative work with a gui.
Sorry I'm inclined to give the same sort of reply to that. Why do anything in 
a console of any sort other than that it isn't possible to do it in a gui. 
I'm also of the opinion that this sort of thing is one of the aspects of 
"desktop" linux that prevents it from gaining wider acceptance. Surely kdesu 
would best be just made safe from the web. My experience so far is that KDE 
will not corrupt anything other than itself and it and linux always recover 
after a reboot via the reset button. But - I only run kde as root when I have 
no choice eg samsung printer. I have an icon to fire kate up as su. I view 
and clear logs with it, edit files etc. It leaves a back up too. Useful for 
mistakes as things are easily corrected from the shell. Personally I would be 
far more worried about reboots straight through login and sudo. 
My main use of the consol is ./configure etc logging in as su for the actual 
install. To be honest I often wonder why I have to do that and why something 
doesn't also capture the dependencies for me - all in a gui. Die hards I 
think or a lack of glamour associated with an app to do just that.

> Your point about giving what you do as root a little bit of thought is
> exactly right, but don't you think that running a full DE as root is just
> asking for trouble?
PS Having said all that I do like the linux - shell - kde etc split. It leaves 
things open - unlike ms but I also think that the shell is designed for 
people who like self harm. Getting into it is too much like hard work eg why 
can't i type "list all files in this directory and all sub directories that 
contain the text #### at the end of the line" instead of grep gobble de guck.
Seem to recollect mention of a shell driven by dartmouth basic. That with 
suitable extensions would be ideal for me and many other people.

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John

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