Mac OS-style menubar as default

Thierry de Coulon tcoulon at
Mon Jul 4 06:44:44 BST 2005

On Sunday, 3 July 2005 23.58, Janne Ojaniemi wrote:
> You didn't see the point I made? Many people voted against the idea. But
> when they actually tried it themself, they actually liked it, for the
> reasons I mentioned. So even though they voted against the idea in the
> beginning, they actually preferred the Mac OS-style menubar after they had
> tested it properly. I would say that most people opposed the idea simply
> because it's different to the way it's done today. And the fact is that the
> per-app menubars waste space, clutter the UI and are awkward to use.

I understand the point but I can't accept it. Either they vote for or against. 
If they change their mind, one has to have a new poll, and those who changed 
their mind should be clearly in the "liked it" numbers.

> Hell, I remember testing the Mac OS-menubar a while ago. And after 5
> minutes of use, I hated it. But I have experimented with OS X recently, and
> that system forces me to use the menubar. And after a while, I really
> started to appreciate it. then I tried it on KDE as well, and even though
> it has some bugs on KDE, I use it all the time today. You really need to
> try it out properly, before deciding that it sucks.

You are correct that I never tried it a lot on KDE. I have to work with Mac OS 
X professionally and the more I use it, the less I like it. It is a lot like 
Windows: it means to tell you the way you have to behave.

What I love in KDE is that you set it up your way. I use the "laptop" windows 
controls, with a "classical" icon set were I modified some icons by using 
elements taken from other sets, I have total control on kicker, the 
contextual menus are complete and sensible, and I always have virtual 
desktops to clean up my desktop. Mac OS X does not have them and uses a (I 
feel) stupid animated way of showing all windows.

BUT I respect the fact that others see it another way, and as long as I don't 
have to spend a week setting thinks back to "my" normality, I don't care much 
what is set as default.


The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Frank Zappa
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