language choice

[Paul Brown]

On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 18:31:58 Central European Summer Time Albert Astals 
Cid wrote:
> El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 17:55:02 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
> 
> central), Paul Brown va escriure:
> > On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 17:43:26 Central European Summer Time Albert
> > Astals> 
> > Cid wrote:
> > > El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 13:26:21 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
> > > 
> > > central), Paul Brown va escriure:
> > > > On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 12:24:54 Central European Summer Time a a
> 
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > You may wish to note that proposing the Valencian dialect of Catalan
> > > > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > helpful in carbon emissions terms as it is virtually identical to
> > > > > the
> > > > > Barcelona Catalan which I imagine "Catalan" refers to. 100% of its
> > > > > speakers
> > > > > are fluent in both dialects. As yet there is no version proposed for
> > > > > Yorkshire dialect or Australian English! I suspect there is some
> > > > > Spanish
> > > > > political aim here in proposing Valencian which has NEVER been a
> > > > > language
> > > > > whereas CATALAN IS!
> > > > 
> > > > Wow! You definitely got some hate agenda going on there. As a
> > > > half-Valencian (the good half), I find your email highly offensive.
> > > > 
> > > > You are also way off: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_valenciano
> > > 
> > > I specially don't disagree with you, but, for what is worth, using the
> > > Spanish wikipedia for anything related to Catalan is just worthless,
> > > their
> > > anti- catalanism shines in every corner.
> > 
> > Huh. This reference good enough for you?
> > 
> > https://dogv.gva.es/datos/2006/04/11/pdf/2006_4177.pdf
> > 
> > Page 2 paragraph 2. Or maybe it is not a legitimate enough document for
> > you
> > either.
> 
> What part of "I don't disagree with you" did not understand?

You were trying to undermine the source, thus underhandedly discrediting the 
argument, while trying to conserve a façade of impartiality.

> > > > But, if it is practicalities and the lack of efficiency you are
> > > > worried
> > > > about, I guess we could argue that 100% of speakers from Catalunya are
> > > > also
> > > > probably fluent in Castilian Spanish so let's get rid of the Catalán
> > > > translations too, right? But why stop there? Galician and Euskera have
> > > > to
> > > > go as well, as long as we are on that roll.
> > > 
> > > You know that there are hundreds of thousands of people that understand
> > > Catalan and don't understand Spanish, right?
> > 
> > You do realise I am just applying OP's bullshit logic, right?
> 
> Yes, and you failed.
> 
> OP logic is that since everyone that understands Catalan understands
> Valencian we should not have Valencian translations.

Don't try and confuse the issue: They were arguing that Valencian should be 
erased in favour of Catalan. The next step, I argued, would be to erase 
Catalán in favour of Castilian Spanish, because, why not, If we are on that 
roll?

Either way, you seem to have a clear opinion in this debate, as you have 
chosen to try and discredit one side of the argument instead of those of the 
offender. 

Maybe we should open this up to the whole community and check what we all 
honestly think about removing Valencian from the list. I would be curious to 
discover what your stance on that would be.