language choice

[Nate Graham]

This doesn't seem to be a productive topic of conversation, and I would 
recommend we drop it in the interests of not letting a troll divide us.

Nate




On 5/7/25 11:13 AM, Paul Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 18:31:58 Central European Summer Time Albert Astals
> Cid wrote:
>> El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 17:55:02 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
>>
>> central), Paul Brown va escriure:
>>> On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 17:43:26 Central European Summer Time Albert
>>> Astals>
>>> Cid wrote:
>>>> El dimecres, 7 de maig del 2025, a les 13:26:21 (Hora d’estiu d’Europa
>>>>
>>>> central), Paul Brown va escriure:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 7 May 2025 12:24:54 Central European Summer Time a a
>>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> You may wish to note that proposing the Valencian dialect of Catalan
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> helpful in carbon emissions terms as it is virtually identical to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Barcelona Catalan which I imagine "Catalan" refers to. 100% of its
>>>>>> speakers
>>>>>> are fluent in both dialects. As yet there is no version proposed for
>>>>>> Yorkshire dialect or Australian English! I suspect there is some
>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>> political aim here in proposing Valencian which has NEVER been a
>>>>>> language
>>>>>> whereas CATALAN IS!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! You definitely got some hate agenda going on there. As a
>>>>> half-Valencian (the good half), I find your email highly offensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are also way off: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_valenciano
>>>>
>>>> I specially don't disagree with you, but, for what is worth, using the
>>>> Spanish wikipedia for anything related to Catalan is just worthless,
>>>> their
>>>> anti- catalanism shines in every corner.
>>>
>>> Huh. This reference good enough for you?
>>>
>>> https://dogv.gva.es/datos/2006/04/11/pdf/2006_4177.pdf
>>>
>>> Page 2 paragraph 2. Or maybe it is not a legitimate enough document for
>>> you
>>> either.
>>
>> What part of "I don't disagree with you" did not understand?
> 
> You were trying to undermine the source, thus underhandedly discrediting the
> argument, while trying to conserve a façade of impartiality.
> 
>>>>> But, if it is practicalities and the lack of efficiency you are
>>>>> worried
>>>>> about, I guess we could argue that 100% of speakers from Catalunya are
>>>>> also
>>>>> probably fluent in Castilian Spanish so let's get rid of the Catalán
>>>>> translations too, right? But why stop there? Galician and Euskera have
>>>>> to
>>>>> go as well, as long as we are on that roll.
>>>>
>>>> You know that there are hundreds of thousands of people that understand
>>>> Catalan and don't understand Spanish, right?
>>>
>>> You do realise I am just applying OP's bullshit logic, right?
>>
>> Yes, and you failed.
>>
>> OP logic is that since everyone that understands Catalan understands
>> Valencian we should not have Valencian translations.
> 
> Don't try and confuse the issue: They were arguing that Valencian should be
> erased in favour of Catalan. The next step, I argued, would be to erase
> Catalán in favour of Castilian Spanish, because, why not, If we are on that
> roll?
> 
> Either way, you seem to have a clear opinion in this debate, as you have
> chosen to try and discredit one side of the argument instead of those of the
> offender.
> 
> Maybe we should open this up to the whole community and check what we all
> honestly think about removing Valencian from the list. I would be curious to
> discover what your stance on that would be.
> 
>