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Gérard Talbot browserbugs at
Mon Dec 23 17:19:59 UTC 2013

Le 2013-12-23 10:34, Scarlett Clark a écrit :
> On Monday, December 23, 2013 11:20:35 AM Gérard Talbot wrote:
>> Le 2013-12-22 20:44, Ben Cooksley a écrit :
>> > On Dec 23, 2013 1:40 PM, "Scarlett Clark"
>> > <scarlett at>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, December 22, 2013 07:26:55 PM Felix Miata wrote:
>> >> > On 2013-12-22 07:41 (GMT-0700) Scarlett Clark composed:
>> >> > > Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>> >> > >> Scarlett Clark wrote:
>> [snipped]
>> Additional references
>> ---------------------
> [snipped]
> All a very good read... I am blind as a bat so I understand and 
> appreciate all
> this, however, I treat my computer the same as I would a hardback book. 
> Those
> letters are not adjusted to accommodate me, so I grab my glasses or a
> magnifying glass to read.


The difference between paged media (print media) and screen media is 
that paged media imply fixed, rigid layout while CSS code in a webpage 
can be made - by design - to be much more font-size-scalable and 
user-friendly for users.

> Most OS's have great accessibility tools for such
> needs.

Yes and no. Doing Ctrl++ or setting a minimum font-size in a browser is 
not ideal. Ideally, in a perfect world, I never should have to be doing 
Ctrl++ or setting a minimum font-size in a webpage and no one should be 
doing that.

> But, again I am not here to argue. I just wanted to help.

I have in the past offered to help with regards to these font-size and 
legibility issues of webpages hosted by KDE:

> I can make
> those pages match the rest of KDE. If that is acceptable then I am your 
> gal.
> Scarlett

The thing actually is that the a wide majority of KDE websites are not 
font-size-user-friendly. They (often, for a majority of webpages) set 
font-size in absolute px unit instead of using and relying on the 
user-preferred medium font size.

More references

Improving Web Accessibility for the Elderly CSUN Slides and Transcript
by Roger Hudson

Some comments/testimonials (on what negatively affect readability, 
legibility) from that study are astonishing but making sense:

     "If I have to read it, I will try getting closer to the screen or 
getting someone else to help."

     "Go to another site if I can't read it".

     "Check my glasses, then I don't know"

     "I copy and paste it into a [MS-Word] document and then increase the 

     "I have printed out pages that are important and then made them 
bigger with a photocopier."

     "Silly little pictures about nothing"

     "Fancy stuff that keeps moving"

     "Too many navigation choices with unclear labels"

     "Too much information on the page"

     "Adverts or announcments that pop-up (without warning)"

     "Moving or flashing images on the page"


This problem is often combined with the use of very small font, which is 
a serious obstacle to many elderly people.

Common accessibility problems include rigid layout that forces, or tries 
to force, the visual appearance of a page to a specific width, perhaps 
in exact columns, with specific margins, often requiring specific font 
size. Such pages cannot work well on small-size monitors, or for people 
with certain types of eyesight problems, and they often do not get 
printed well. The possibility of printing a page is important, because 
many people have severe problems in reading on screen but can use 
printed copies.


Myth #8: People should view a Web site the way the designer intended

     False. People cannot view a Web site the way the designer intended, 
unless the designer intended for the site to be viewed differently. With 
all the different browsers, window sizes, fonts, font sizes, 
resolutions, color depths, and other user preferences on the Web, it is 
simply impossible to have a document look the same to all users.

     People should view Web sites the way *they* wish to view them. Some 
people may wish to view pages using the author's style sheet, but others 
may *require* their own presentation to be able to access the content. 
An author's choices are to design a site that a minority of Web users 
will be able to see as "intended," or to design a site that *all* will 
be able to access, with some seeing the author's suggested presentation.

Web Design Group
Accessibility Myths: Myth #8: People should view a Web site the way the 
designer intended


P.S.: I've tried to send twice a previous email to the list and I'm not 
sure if it has been processed.
Konqueror Implementation Report of CSS 2.1 test suite (RC6): 9418 
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