some glitches and issues updating to 4.2 RC

[Andrius da Costa Ribas]

It seems there is a regression in kopete, I can't access ICQ protocol,
msn entry is not there but jabber entry is in the list (however both
do not work nor previously neither now).
Kate open/save dialogs (not mswindows native) crashes when selecting
network folder.
SSH initial support is still unusable :(
another regression: can't copy/paste files from/to network FTP
folders. ( this one is since 4.1.80 )


2009/1/14 Ralf Habacker <ralf.habacker at freenet.de>:
> S Page schrieb:
>> 4.2 RC!  Wahoo!
>>
>> http://windows.kde.org/news.php#itemKDE42RCforWindowsavailable doesn't
>> say anywhere that to install 4.2 RC you need to choose to install
>> version "unstable 4.1.96" in the installer.
>>
>> I was running already KDE 4.1.3.  The 0.9.4.1 KDE for Windows installer
>> didn't offer me this newer version because I had it set to skip basic
>> settings.  Maybe that needs to be mentioned for upgraders.
>>
>> If I didn't skip basic settings, I got a "Release Selection" panel to
>> choose a KDE version from several available, including unstable 4.1.96.
>>
> update in the website
>>   That dialog is not shown in the excellent screenshots at
>> http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/installer/manual/
>>
> need to update - will happens when 0.9.5 is out
>> For some of the packages the installer showed a checkbox.  For others
>> where I already had earlier versions installed, the installer instead
>> showed a fuzzy circle with green around it.  I can't find any
>> documentation of what this means, the tooltip doesn't help.  I think it
>> does an update.
>>
> yes
>
>  - i will take a look if we can add a related tool tip
>> During Installing packages I got an alert:
>>       Error
>>       Can't remove C:/KDE4/bin/dbus-daemon.exe
>>       [Cancel]
>> and I'm positive dbus-daemon wasn't running before.  It seems to start
>> up during operation in "Installing packages".  I clicked [Cancel] but installation continued.
>>
>> * KDE for Windows Installer should shut dbus-daemon and other KDE stuff down, not start it up!
>>
> There may some background processes still running.
> The installer has already support for stopping kde applications - is
> there a line in the log file like shown below ?
> [2009-01-14 14:31:35] Debug: gui\installerenginegui.cpp 625 run
> "C:\Programme\KDE/bin/kdeinit4.exe" ("--shutdown") without errors
>
> On you pc it looks that some application resist to be killed or the
> shutdown command does not work for unknown reasons. Can you try to start
> some kde applications and then run
>
> kdeinit4 --shutdown
>
> from the command line ?
>
> Then run
>
>    kdeinit4 --list
>
> to show if all processes stopped.
>
> BTW: What os are you using ?
>
>> * "Can't remove" errors should be a modal dialog where you get a chance
>> to clean it up then continue.
>>
> thanks for this pointer
>> * A dialog that says [Cancel] yet installation continues leaves the
>> user, if not the system, in a confused state.
>>
>> In \KDE4\bin, all my dbus-* programs remained with modification dates of
>>   2008-12-29, but seem to be the latest version.
>>    C:\KDE4\bin>dbus-daemon --version
>>    D-Bus Message Bus Daemon 1.2.4
>> Is that OK?
> dbus -1.2.4-1 is the latest.
>
>> If not, how would I reinstall this?
>>
> be sure to not have any kde related process running and run installer
> again.
>> During post-processing, awful Norton 360 warned that kbuildsycoca4 tries
>> to access the internet.  Does it really need to?
>>
> it needs to open tcp connections to dbus daemon and this triggers Norton
>> I think that alert about kbuildsyscoca4 appeared *before* the installer
>> displayed "Post Processing", which is a little odd.
>>
> hmmh, the command ist started when the page is displayed. May be that
> the page display is delayed internal
>> Then another warning, kwinstartmenu tries to access the internet.
>> Again, does it really need to?  I think both of these were trying to
>> talk UDP on port 53 to my ISP's DNS server.
>>
> Hmmh, at least they opens tcp connections to the dbus-daemon.
>>
>> Techbase says the KDEglobals location changed.
> Do you have a link ?
>> When updating to 4.2 RC,
>> should people move some, none, or just kdeglobals from their old .kde
>> directory to the new location?  I didn't copy it over as I don't think I
>> have any significant KDE settings (yet it still contains 2MB of stuff
>> not including cache and tmp).
>>
>> I notice that every time I update with the installer KDE, it leaves
>> obsolete downloaded files in my downloads directory.  They take up a
>> huge amount of space.  When there's a pair of files where one is
>> obviously out-of-date I periodically delete the older one, maybe this
>> tip should be mentioned somewhere.
>>
> I will see if there could be an additional notice about this
>> But is there any reason to keep *any* of the .bz2 and .md5 files around
>> if installation is successful?
>>
> for reinstalling, downgrading or perfoming an installation on a
> different pc without the nedd to redownload the files again - since
> 0.9.5-rc1 there is a "install from local directory" options which makes
> this possible in the gui.
>> I also notice that after several rounds of updating KDE, I have several
>> outdated DLLs in C:\KDE4\lib as well as C:\KDE4\bin.  I think they're
>> all from KOffice: chartshapelib, flake, karboncommon, etc.  Is it OK to
>> delete the older ones?
>>
>>
> Hmmh, i guess that these files were in use when updating and could not
> be removed (You mentioned above, that the killing of KDE applications by
> the installer fails on your pc)
>> The install removed all the Start menu items in "KDE 4.1.3 Release"
>> except for one: Internet > KRDC (Remote Desktop Client).
>>
>> Starting kwrite.exe, I got an alert "attempting to access the Internet"
>> from kwrite.exe (again, UDP on port 53 to my DNS server).
>>
> as already stated kde uses several tcp/udp connections.
>> KWrite thought it was version 4.1.96 running on 4.1.96.
>>
>> BUT, if I rerun the KDE for Windows installer , it shows I have version
>> 4.00.80.20080120 of several packages installed:
>>     kdelibs-msvc
>>     kdepimlibs.msvc
>>     kdeedu-msvc
>>     kdegames-msvc
>>     kdegraphics-msvc (actually, 3.95-1)
>>     kdesdk-msvc
>> for each there's a blank space where the checkbox would be, until I
>> click in it and it gives me a checkbox  to install the 4.1.96 versions!
>>   Why does the installer think I don't have the latest versions of these?
>>
> This can happen when you install lib or source packages in the package
> manager mode and then switch back to the end user mode - there is a bug
> in the installer. [1]
>> Here's part of kdewin-installer.log for kdegames-msv, it seems to think
>> many different versions of kdegames-msvc are installed, including 4.1.96,:
>>
>>
> <snip>
> the log describes exactly what is mentioned above - you may switch back
> to package manager mode, deinstall all lib and src packages and switch
> back to end user - the error should be done.
>
>> I killed kdeinit, kdelaunch, dbus-daemon, and selected all of these for
>> install.  The installer seemed to skip download and go straight into a
>> long "Installing packages", but again it started dbus-daemon.exe.
>>
>> I finally monitored my process list throughout installation, killed
>> dbus-daemon when it started up yet again, reinstalled the same set of
>> packages, got no errors, and got a newer modification time on
>> dbus-daemon.  But the installer still thinks I don't have the latest
>> versions of those big modules.
>>
>> Whew.  Any comments?
> The above
>
>> I could file bugs...
>>
> this would be nice for [1]
>
> BTW: Thanks for your detailed error reports - this helps much to improve
> the installer.
>
> Regards
> Ralf
>
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