Setting up a Quality Team within KDE

Wed Apr 11 17:59:38 UTC 2012

Anne,

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
>Yes this is maybe the best free tool to do the job.
>DO you or anybody have used it already?
>
>Thanks for your input,

Unfortunately I have no experience on this tool, but when I check all the
next emails I'm glad there is a lot of feedback.

Percy

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <
annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr> wrote:

> **
> On 04/08/2012 07:11 AM, Percy Camilo Triveño Aucahuasi wrote:
>
> Hi Anne, hi all
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >This is addressed for 4.9 as "putting in place a few
> >selected areas of functional testing" and hopefully
> >we will assess some automated UI testing tools
> >and start using them in the following releases.
> >I hope we can gather enough beta testers and
> >make this working.
>
> Indeed, Nice idea, I think this is the right focus to (auto)test the
> functionality/features of the app. I've searched some info about this topic
> and found this:
>
> http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Home
>
> It has full support for KDE/Qt (>4.x) apps and the scripts (for
> autotesting) can be written with Python.
>
> My 0.5 cents :)
>
> Cheers,
> Percy
>
> Yes this is maybe the best free tool to do the job. DO you or anybody have
> used it already?
>
> Thanks for your input,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <
> annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr> wrote:
>
>>  On 04/06/2012 02:23 PM, Aleix Pol wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
>>> <annemarie.mahfouf at free.fr>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We would like to setup a Quality Testing Team within KDE in order to
>>>> better
>>>> test our next KDE SC and make the beta process more efficient.
>>>> Attached is the first draft of the ideas I brainstormed. Source .odt of
>>>> this
>>>> document is available at
>>>>
>>>> http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fannma%2Fquality-testing-doc.git
>>>>
>>>> (We can make it a public Google doc if it is more convenient or an
>>>> etherpad).
>>>>
>>>> The document roughly describes 2 areas of action:
>>>> - reinforcement (labelled "Reinforce") of existing structures (mainly
>>>> targetted to developers and mainly relevant before the beta stage of the
>>>> release). This could
>>>>
>>>> be used as guidelines for new developers. Of course it won't be newbies
>>>> which will develop Unit Tests or check the code quality. But some
>>>> guidelines
>>>> can
>>>> be useful for libs outside Frameworks.
>>>> An area of relevant reinforcement that can be currently done is the
>>>> Review
>>>> process for new integration.
>>>> - new infra-structures: this is labelled "New" in the doc: this is what
>>>> I
>>>> would see to happen for the 4.9 release.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A new mailing list has been set up in order to discuss all this: please
>>>> subscribe to it if you would like to be part of this
>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-testing
>>>> An IRC channel also was created on Freenode:
>>>> #kde-quality
>>>>
>>>> Please join the mailing list and the IRC channel so we can setup a plan
>>>> to
>>>> start putting all this in gear!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Anne-Marie and Myriam
>>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> I think this project is a very interesting idea and definitely
>>> something we need. Said that, I'd like to propose some small changes
>>> on how this should be done.
>>>
>>> In the document there are some actions to be taken that sound a bit
>>> too technical, for example it specifies reinforcing the unit testing.
>>> This is something that we should have been doing already and I don't
>>> see someone from the Quality Team going to a development team and
>>> improving that.
>>>
>>  Making unit tests is the developer task (and the document mentions it)
>> and we do have solit Unit Tests in kdelibs and Frameworks and kdepimlibs.
>> However there are other libs within KDE where maybe unit tests are not as
>> present as they should (I did not research that though). Also, about unit
>> tests, it's not only writing them, it's also running them. This is not done
>> in a regular basis and needs to be automated in the future and the fails
>> need to be fixed.
>> No newbie will ever touch to any Unit Tests of course. And any action
>> will be discussed with the gurus in this field (/me does not point to
>> David).
>>
>> We have many tools for developers which are not fully used: latest great
>> tool is Jenkins which I was aware of only recently. My label "Reinforce" is
>> to take full advantage of those existing tools.
>>
>> (It would be cool if at Akademy there are some talks focusing on using
>> these tools.)
>>
>>
>>  What I'd like to see is this new team testing KDE and its applications
>>> from a user perspective, specifying the different perspectives the KDE
>>> end user will face (different OS, different form factors, etc) and
>>> reporting problems (not necessarily bugs, as in crashes) and proposing
>>> new solutions.
>>>
>>  This is addressed for 4.9 as "putting in place a few selected areas of
>> functional testing" and hopefully we will assess some automated UI testing
>> tools and start using them in the following releases. I hope we can gather
>> enough beta testers and make this working.
>>
>>  I'm really hopeful about such a team, I think it's a good opportunity
>>> for KDE to be able to reach contributions for a less common sector of
>>> our community and keep working together for a greater KDE experience.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Aleix
>>>
>>>  Thanks for your input!
>>
>> Anne-Marie
>>
>>
>
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