KDE Telepathy and Kubuntu

[David Edmundson]

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Daniele E. Domenichelli
<daniele.domenichelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
>
> On 09/03/12 11:26, Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>>
>> We are still pondering if it's suitable for our forthcoming 12.04
>> release (due April) which is long term support so we tend to be nervous
>> about
>> changing to new programmes.  I'm all for it but I have a Kubuntu dev
>> community to convince :)
>
>
> We are planning the 0.4 release for the April, 14th, so it could be in time
> for Kubuntu 12.04. It would be great if it was the default IM client!
>
>
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>> It seems that message indicator support is a bit of a dealbreaker for
>> many as it is a major UI change to drop that.  Kopete and Quassel have
>> support for this built in which Konversation has a patch for it
>
>
> Unfortunately the feature freeze is very close (March, 17th), and we have
> still a lot of things to do, but if Martin (the evil release manager)
> agrees, we could delay it for a few days (or make an exception for that) if
> message indicator support is being developed but is not ready. Any
> volunteer? By the way, if any Kubuntu developer is planning to do it, we
> will be very happy to help and to merge it.
>
>
>
>> "Telepathy Contact List" is totally going to confuse people.  Not  that
>
>> "Kopete" is much better, but at least current users are used to it."
>
> Agreed, we are using "KDE IM ..." for everything, and we are trying to avoid
> "Telepathy" (the user is not supposed to know that he is using "Telepathy"),
> we should just change that to "KDE IM Contacts (like the window title) in
> the .desktop file.
>
>
>
>
>> Another request is
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-approver/+bug/947430
>> "Clicking on bubbles in KDE telepathy notifications doesn't work"
>
>
> This is probably an upstream bug in plasma [1]. Unfortunately until the bug
> upstream isn't fixed we cannot do anything about.
> But I think that if we manage to get the message indicator support, this
> won't be a real issue, for Kubuntu, because user will get the notification
> from indicator instead of from the approver...
>
>
>
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>> There are problems a few other requets Kubuntu people have.  These are
>> only requests to help convince the community to change to KDE
>> Telepathy for 12.04.  We know you're all busy on 100 others things so
>> if you don't want to look at the above in the near future that's very
>> understandable, Kubuntu will certainly change for 12.10 anyway.
>
>
> So, basically the main request is message indicator support, I think we can
> do it! If nobody wants to implement it, I can try, but I'm quite busy at the
> moment and I have a lot of stuff that I need to finish before the feature
> freeze, so I cannot guarantee that it will be ready for 0.4...

Aureliean and I already looked at the message indicator support.
There's a bit of an issue:
(Jonathan sorry for the upcoming Telepathy buzzwords :) )
 - The message indicator acts as an approver (for Empathy)
 - However it's hardcoded to show the icon/name from Empathy when it's
doing it's approver thing
 - The only /correct/ cause of action is to patch it to load KTp and
Empathy and show as appropriate (no idea how best to do this)
 - Even if we did fix it.. we still have our own approver which would
then sort of clash at a UI level. You get two flashing envelopes
 - Initially I thought we could simply not ship ktp-approver in
Kubuntu but then we don't have an approver for files/streams (v bad).
 - tl;dr because of some lazy gnome dev this is both really really
easy to do in theory with only a minor patch needed, in practice it's
a real pain.

Dave

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>
> Cheers,
>  Daniele
>
> [1]https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289126
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