Better default toolbar setting

[David Roberts]

I use check mail in occasionally when I'm expecting an email, so I don't think 
it should be removed.

As for text under icons, why not just have an option in kpersonalizer 
(first-run wizard) to let the user decide which style they want?

On Friday 15 September 2006 7:06 am, Iñaki wrote:
> El Jueves, 14 de Septiembre de 2006 22:46, Stefan Monov escribió:
> > Inâki,
> >
> > > "Check mail" is just one icon, and it's probably one of the most
> > > obvious icons in a mail client toolbar. Why you want to hide it?
> >
> > 1. the less icons, the better (all other things equal)
>
> I think you can choose any other icon to hide it instead of the "check
> mail" icon.
>
> > (on that note, you haven't answered that yet: If the Oxygen
> > get/reply/forward icons are indeed easily distinguishable, then do we
> > need text under them?)
>
> Ok, these icon are very good, but, could be all the icons so easily
> distinguishable?
>
> Two cases:
> - YES, so we don't need text under them.
> - NO, so we need text but, "only" in some of them? or in all the icons to
> save the uniform style of all the KDE apps? or just hide all the icon text
> even if some icon meaning is not easy?
>
> I don't know which is better :(
>
> > the user shouldn't choose when to check mail in.
>
> Why??? there have been in this thread a lot of good examples of cases where
> any user can need to check mail manually:
>
> - Receiving something important e.g. by someone you are communicating
> real-time via IM or phone.
> - Signing up somewhere.
> - In mobile use, when one just wants to check for new mails and do
> nothing else, turn on notebook, check mail, shutdown.
>
> Sorry, but I thinks it's obvious that there are good reasons to have a
> "check mail" icon by default in any mail client. Do you know any mail
> client without that button??
>
>
> Regards.
>
> > > > The problem here is that you never know exactly when the confirmation
> > > > email will be received, and if you click "get mail" 1s earlier,
> > > > *bang* you're blocked. So a "get mail" toolbutton is not a solution
> > > > for that.
> > >
> > > Kind of... but in most cases it works fine for me this way...
> >
> > Then you're probably lucky, dunno. Do we want to rely on that?
> >
> > > > > It's just the most basic function of an e-mail software.
> > > >
> > > > Basic in terms of familiarity, not of necessity. ;-)
> > >
> > > I must admit I begin to dig that revolutionary approach. I really do
> >
> > (point taken)
> >
> > > yet
> > > a) familiarity is a point, you see
> >
> > Yes, but isn't its effect minimized by displaying the tip I mentioned?
> >
> > > b) it's still likely to be more necessary than some of the other
> > > buttons I never clicked before I discovered them one minute ago
> > > jolly things like those "Go to the next unread message"-buttons
> >
> > I'm not keen on these buttons either. Feel free to file a bug for
> > ditching them.
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