Better default toolbar setting

[Iñaki]

El Domingo, 3 de Septiembre de 2006 13:53, Stefan Monov escribió:
> > > www.dcc.ufmg.br/~hpinto/konqueror-kde4.png
> >
> > Upss, IMHO this toolbar wates too much space. Konqueror doesn't need a so
> > long navigation bar in a common 1024x768 monitor.
> >
> > In a web or file browser the "Back", "Home", etc buttons don't need text
> > to describe them, they actions are obvious.
>
> You mean some toolbuttons should have text and some shouldn't, on the same
> toolbar? Now that would be hideous. + users wouldn't know why this is so.

No, I suggest that some apps should show icon + text and others apps not.
For example, nowadays all the people with a computer knows to use the Emule 
program. I'd like to know if they could use Emule so easy if the program 
doesn't show so big and labeled icons in the top 
("Search", "Trafic", "Shared"...).
But for example, IMHO nobody needs to see "Back" or "Reload" text below the 
web browser navigation buttons.

So, my question is (and I don't know the response):
Should all the KDE apps show the toolbar icons in the same way? since they are 
many kind of applitations, should of all them show the same icon size and 
text/no-text below the icons?

Note that there is not the same a KDE program for programing code (Kdevelop, 
Quanta, Kate) than a KDE program to connect to BIttorrent or Donkey network. 
And the kind of user are very different.


> > What Konqueror doesn't need are 3 icons to choose the view mode, why not
> > a simple icon to choose between "icon view" and "list view".
>
> To get *any* novices to change their Konq view, we need to make it a
> single-click action. Two buttons, then.
> And we need one more - "preview view". See Dolphin:
> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40491

I like it, but I prefer a Konqueror for all purposes as now, and there is not 
an address box in that mockup.


> > And then, the user could personalize the view mode with advanced options
> > in the "View" menu (as "tree" mode, "multicolumn" and so).
>
> No.
> Distinctions like "Icon View" - "Multicolumn View" should be ditched
> altogether. Users don't need them and have a hard time understanding them.

Yes, I agree, the difference is complex and IMHO Konqueror doesn't need so 
many similar ways to show the files.



> > But if the icon appear alone they should be very very explanatory, and
> > not always they are so.
>
> Are you saying that icons can't possibly be *made* explanatory enough?
> Or just that icons are *currently* not explanatory enough?

I don't know, note that I'm a KDE user since many years. But I speak about new 
people in KDE who are not use to the icons of KDE. Sorry, I can't suggest if 
an icon is enough explanatory or not.



> > By default KDE apps show a very small icons.
>
> Please file a bugreport asking to increase the default size.

Ok, I'll do it  ;)


> > Most of KDE apps show too much icons.
>
> Please file a bugreports against all concerned apps asking to decrease the
> number of icons by default.

Ok, I'll try to reconfigure my KDE apps with just the important icons in the 
toolbar and comment it for each app.



Regards :)



-- 
Iñaki